Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

You mean being monitored at long distance at night by a drone or aircraft which was not going to fire for fear of starting a war?

 

In this case yes, all the proof is one Washington's side

 

Well, here we are on Saturday afternoon, 15 Jun 19, and at this point we have amassed enough evidence to prove that Iran either conducted these attacks, sponsored them through 'proxies', or at the very least, tried frantically to cover them up, but got caught red-handed!

Question: why aren't we already bombing the living hell out of these Islamo-Nazi bastards?

"Whatever you tolerate, you will get MORE of...!"

 

You mean seized the crew who had already been rescued by another ship?

 

Them WMDs claim was the GOP lying all over the place in order to start a war against a 3rd world nation. The US is responsible for the chaos the GOP deliberately created, and with that the rise of ISIS, the death of 100.000's of humans and the refuge crisis. It's just like the Tonkin-incident, an "incident" that never happened. The US made it all up to start a war against Vietnam.

The US needs to convict them liars of theirs for treason. All them American troops who died for their lies... cmon. And it's needed to get any credibility back.

 

You mean seized the crew who had already been rescued by another ship?

How desperate are you to avoid reality? This won't need the draft as it did to defeat your friend Mussolini.

 

Amount of nations not buying into the lies of the GOP that there were WMD's in Iraq is sky high. And the US admits the Tonkin-incident were all lies to start a war. Nothing to discuss.

 

How so?

 

You believe you know it. I have heard Israelis and Russians saying you can't.

This is the short version. An Israeli ex Intel speaking in Russian



I have to admit that Americans arrogance in believing they have the power over life and death of everyone in the world does make me think they deserve a lesson - deserve to know what it is like to be on the receiving end. Then they may quit the constant killing.

 

Well, if Iran did it, it would be to affect the US somehow. In that case they would have to announce it was them. Anonymity doesn't work reliable because it becomes guess work. So who would benefit by doing it anonymously and getting Trump to blame Iran? Israel? Syria? New Zealand?

 

There were plenty of WMDs in Iraq, come on, no one believes otherwise any more.

Saddam had about 5000 nerve agent bombs and shells from his 1990s stockpile, he could easily have provided it to any number of the terrorist groups he supported and they could have smuggled it into the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Saddam continued to develop (but not manufacture) chemical weapons whose sophistication shocked inspectors and were still lethal enough to poison the troops who found them a decade later.

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html#sect3

Saddam maintained his vast Uranium stockpile and never lost his desire to attain WMDs, despite the fact he could have sold it on the civil nuclear market for tens of millions of dollars (as the post liberation Iraq's democratic government later did).

www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.XKMfuPZFzIU

Saddam did have connections with AQ, meeting up with them to see if he should sponsor them but turning them down as too wild for him. No one EVER claimed Saddam was behind 9/11, that was a link people made in their minds but not by the administration. The worse you can accuse the administration of is believing what they wanted to hear from the Iraqi exiles, just like in the first Gulf War? Remember the Kuwaiti nurse who gave heartrending testimony of the babies who died because the Iraqi soldiers stole their incubators? Turned out all to be baloney and she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador? But who wouldn't tell a few white lies to be liberated from a tyrant?

The Mattox was attacked by North Vietnamese gunboats on the first occasion and honestly believed she was on the 2nd.

 

You have got to be joking. The number of military everyone reckons you will need is 1 million. You may get about 350,000 from the Saud's and UAE - or rather whoever they get for you to use, but the rest are going to have to come from the US and that will mean the draft. It is also reckoned it could go on for up to 50 years or even longer so you are going to need the draft for a long time.
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No, we're not talking about invading and occupying Iran and instituting regime change, just another caning to have them leave the tankers alone, just like last time;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

 

The hope would be twofold.
First would be to drive up oil prices
Second would be to lure the US into military action that would cause a flare-up in the Mideast and draw other countries to it's defense. Iran is getting desperate as sanctions strangle their economy. Fortunately Trump's not taking the bait.

 

That will make no difference and....although you certainly massively beat them with your air power, they appear to have unusually good air defenses.

To beat them you would have to go in. 'Caning' will just result in them having nukes before you can blink.

 

Don't be silly, no one believes that baloney any more.

 

That seems to be on the cards anyway? Perhaps this is the time to also blast their nuclear programme?

 

IOW, you don't know who is responsible and you're stirring up sh't.

 

Critical lefty logic says if Trump said it was Iran, then it couldn’t have been. Evidence shows a fast boat like many Iran has displayed before, removing something attached to the previously attacked tanker, Iran also engaged in similar tactics attacking tankers in its war with Irak, and has threatened to close the straits where this tanker was attacked. This seems persuasive to me, is there anything (besides anti-Trump bias) to dispute the claim Iran was responsible for this?

 

source it, champ

 

Because the global community is at best skeptical and at least incredulous after all the false flags US has used in the past to declare war on nations from Spain to Vietnam to Iraq and sees another blatant act of aggression to start a yet another bloody and unnecessary ME war that benefits no one but Washington warmongers and their foreign masters.

There is no credible evidence shown so far that Iran was behind these attacks. What possible benefit would Iran have to do this?

Yet you are beating Washington's drums for them. Be careful, you might get the war the Neo-hawks want so desperately for you to get dragged into.

 

Almost everyone sees through the lies - well, except the Saudi's Israeli's and possibly the British.

What we should be discussing is how dangerous this moment is and what this war is going to look like.

 

That is the danger. That the rest of the developing world finally decides that they have had enough of all this constant war and death and sanctions brought around the world by Washington and it's foreign masters and decides they are not going to take it anymore.

This could get very ugly if US gets the war they are so arrogantly cruising their way into.

 

Of course none of your allegations are true. The weapons programs were long abandoned as each of your links says including the NY Times one:

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government’s official count was classified."

International weapons inspectors found absolutely no evidence that Saddam had returned to production of any of his programs and the programs he did have were complicit with him being armed by the US so he could attack arch enemy Iran

Remember:

 

Would this guy...



... start a war in an effort to save his failing Presidency?



Trump has told so many lies, even his supporters may not believe him.