Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

No need to follow @Thedimon down the rabbit hole. Trump has very little credibility, even in his own country. The idea he could lead an international coalition to do anything is a joke.

 

Now that you have gotten that off your chest just admit the truth - you know that the US and any other major nuclear power could destroy the leadership and military of Iran in minutes. Why deny the obvious?

 

Trump's lies may have caught up with him (and us). Who would bet the Orange Oaf didn't cook up the photo allegedly showing an Iranian boat next to the tanker? I don't trust LardButt any further than I can throw him.

You stuck the country with a lying loser.

 

I don’t know why you quoted me on this.
I personally don’t give a damn about Iran. It can prosper or burn in nuclear fire for all I care.
All I’m saying is, judging by the facts Iran is as fault.
As for Sobo conversation - he thinks we would need Germany to cripple Russia like we crippled Huawei. That’s just not the case.

 

Why should we believe Trump didn't cook up this "evidence" to justify attacking Iran? The Orange Oaf has lied thousands of times about just about everything.

You want to follow that piece of garbage into a war? Me? No thanks.

 

Anyone associated with truth or facts believes this.

"The intelligence community’s assessments on Iraq’s WMD stockpiles and programs turned out to be woefully wrong, largely because analysts believed that Iraq had kept on a path of building its programs rather than largely abandoning them after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Thus the stockpiles theoretically got larger as time went on.

But at the same time, the Senate report shows Bush administration officials often hyped the intelligence that supported their policy goals — while ignoring or playing down dissents or caveats from within the intelligence community. The intelligence was used for political purposes, to build public support for a war that might have been launched no matter what intelligence analysts had said about the prospect of finding WMDs in Iraq."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Based on a 2004 senate report here:

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2004_rpt/ssci_iraq.pdf

 

Facts developed by the stooges who work for this guy?



What makes you think Trump isn't lying about this, too?

Huawei? Total exports to the U.S. are less than 4% of China's GDP. Trump is overplaying his (and our) hand. Why are you supporting that jerk?

 

Attacking the ship of a country that depends on foreign oil, even if that country is mildly supportive, is great cover.

 

Congress trying to limit executives ability to wage war unilaterally. Even Graham on board with this:

https://truthout.org/articles/as-iran-tensions-rise-congress-moves-to-curb-trumps-war-powers/

 

You don’t understand the context of Huawei conversation - the US exports a lot more stuff than many realize. A good example is advanced semiconductors - if any country wanted to build a cell phone, smart TV or pretty much any piece of advanced electronics they would need American semiconductors, like CPUs.
That’s why the US holds the world by the balls. Same thing with software - US government, in theory, has the ability to disable every Windows, Apple, Google and Android device if it wishes. And the giants that I mention are just OS giants - there are lots of pieces of software that could be disabled to render laptops, PCs and smartphones useless, which can cripple entire country.

As for Trump lies - well, the evidence was presented by the agencies trump claims lie (especially when it comes to Russia) so, I am at odds to understand why liberal retards suddenly claim that what they claim = Trump lies.

 

Didn't see Graham's name in the article. However, he did say yesterday that we should invade Venezuela to put everybody else (Iran, North Korea, Cuba) in line.

Video at link
https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/graham-is-wrong/

 

The evidence, including the videos, and testimony of those who were taken into custody by the Iranian military forces, is clear and unequivocal. The Iranians also tried to shoot down one of the drones we deployed to surveil the aftermath of the attacks because the Iranians didn't want "eyes-on".

What has the "Orange Oaf" lied about...? More particularly, what has he lied about directly relating to IRAN? Ooh... you neglected to mention anything specific, didn't you...? No, your faction simply wants to fixate on hating Trump instead of dealing with the most malignant, dangerous rogue governments in the world. You people are mentally unbalanced in your unreasoning hatred, and you jeoparize us all!

The Iranians (or their proxies) have already attacked shipping in the international waters of the Persian Gulf several times this year already. What is YOUR faction's motive for allowing them to continue to get away with it with impunity...? Whose side are YOU on?

 

Sorry I don't know how to link on my phone. Graham's name appeared in WP article on same subject. Sorry for the mix-up.

But yes, Graham is just as crazy as anyone else in Washington at the moment.

 

There is no clear unequivical evidence and this administration lies about eveything.

No one wants another of your neverending wars of aggression on weaker nations.

 

There's LOTS of evidence to indicate clearly that Iran was actively involved in either the attack itself, or by one of their proxies. In addition to the videos gotten while they tried to shoot down our drones, there's also the testimony of the crews of the attacked ships who were captured BY the Iranians and taken into custody AFTER they were rescued.

What benefit to Iran? The more their terror attacks take hold on all countries trying to conduct lawful commerce in international waters near the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, the higher oil prices shoot up! Iran's life's blood is OIL... what result do you think higher oil prices throughout the world holds for them...?

We need to light these Islamo-Nazi sons-of-bitches up, and do it quickly, or they'll get the idea that they can do whatever they please to shipping belonging to other countries in international waters!

 

Go to the link and you'll hear the "testimony" of the crew "taken into custody" in the video.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...etained-while-russia-thanks-iran-rescuing-its

 

Yeah, attack the ship, then come in like rescuing angels to save the crew. Got it! Maybe somebody should make it into a two-act play! Was the ship attacked or NOT?!

 

Who got us into a never-ending war in Iraq? Who kept us there after promising to get us totally OUT? Who got us into a never-ending war in Afghanistan? Who kept us there after promising to get us totally OUT? Gee! I think those two morons were: 1. Idiot "W" Bush... and... 2. Idiot "Messiah" Obama. And, neither of those two morons is Donald Trump!

We could fix this whole stinking, rotten Iran 'problem' with about a week's worth of selective bombing with powerful (but non-nuclear) THERMOBARIC WEAPONS! We wouldn't have to stage a 'land invasion'... we wouldn't have to engage in 'nation-building'... we wouldn't have to do anything but rid the world of the Islamo-Nazi, insane theocratic government of tyrants in Tehran.

How many more ships do you think would ever attacked in either the Persian Gulf or the Gulf of Oman if the Islamo-Crazies in Tehran were totally blown away? None...? What the hell are we waiting for?!

 

You're kidding yourself. We don't have anything they can't live without.

They can develop their own operating systems, just like we can secure our own supply of rare earth metals.

We could inconvenience them for a time, but that's about it. We make a lot of money selling software around the world and threats of the kind you're making only encourage them to develop their own software. You're as much as suggesting we should cut off our noses to spite our faces.

Huh? Trump lies all the time. Why do you support him?

 

I was replying to Jeanette. She said
"Oh well, if that's what Washington says then it has to be true"
If someone has such suspicion the US or Israeli or any other Govt in bombing the tankers then provide proof.
In such a situation it not matter what I believe as I'm not providing any opinion, I'm merely asking for evidence for her to support her claims.

My suggestion is that film from the drone is not conclusive as there are variables like- where is the proof the boat is Iranian? What nationality are the sailors? What exactly were they removing from the hull?

However, it does not provide any evidence at all as well that its a USA conspiracy nor Israeli operation.

So the conspiracy theorists add all sorts of dimensions to the event with not a shread of evidence and as soon as they are called out, like you, they ask for evidence from the questioner to provide evidence themselves.

Why should I provide evidence when I didnt make any claims?

 

Huh? Trump lies all the time. Why do you support him? How amusing. This gorum could cover a topic on Siberia about two political candidates and members here would still end up speaking about their obsession with Trump or the Dems. Get over it. It's about the tankers!

 

Did you watch the video or not?

 

About own OS systems - you are an old guy, so I’ll guy give you a few ideas on how this works. You cannot just create your own OS because you need the chip maker to cooperate with you. While we have common programming languages like python, or my favorite - C#, you need an OS that would break down the code into 1s and 0s that a chips and CPUs will understand. So, to make your own OS you need heavy cooperation from semiconductor giants like Intel. They all happen to be located in the US. You can try to invent your own IT infrastructure, but that’s like reinventing 50+ years of research on a very short notice. Good luck with that!
So, yeah, we have Russians, Europeans and Chinese by the balls and they don’t even realize it!

As for trumps lies - I never take his tweets at face value and didn’t vote for that idiot, but at the same time I refuse to join leftist retards who try to turn every fart that comes out of trumps ass into a national controversy. I think his attitude is damaging to us, yet some of his accomplishments at pretty impressive and refreshing, when you compare to the last several presidents.

 

Huawei is trademarking it's own OS;

 

God bless their hearts and good luck to them!