Turkey To Retaliate Against Any US Sanctions Over S400 Deal

Russia is selling Turkey the S-400 system for money, and also with the hope it will split Turkey from Nato. Erdogan has a beef with Nato and the US, ever since they tried to overthrow and kill him in a coup, so the trust isn't there. From what I read Putin saved his life.

I assume it's true, otherwise why would the philosopher Alexander Dugan who is a close associate of Vladimir Putin, be stuck at the airport in Ankara during the coup? Was he in Turkey to hand Erdogan information about the coup, and/or plans of escape? I'm just speculating. I read that Erdogan was taken to the Russian base in Syria, but again I don't know if that's true.

Washington and London have legitimate animosities towards Moscow, but it's not because Russia's aggressive. But because its Intelligence manages to deter Washington in its regime change escapades.

 

I have to wonder what a country on the Mediterranean sea has anything to do with the North Atlantic?

I have to wonder what business a North Atlantic Treaty Organization has in North Africa and Libya?

Mission creep?

 

Here's why!

We lie, we cheat
we steal and shout.
For oil is what
it's all about. - Jeannette ​

 

Where's the videos Jenny?

 

This troll prefers gifs instead of videos. They are more believable.

 

Membership into NATO was strictly volunteer. NATO is not a free trade organization. It's was established to guard European countries from the threat of Russian aggression.

 

So long as big fossil fuel conglomerates are able to control the information regarding nuclear power the masses will never know about the newer 4th and 5th generation nuclear power plants that are capable of using the spent fuel from older nuclear power plants now being stored. The new generation nuclear power doesn't need a body of water to cool the reactors so they can be placed anywhere. For this reason they do not need to be large power plants. More smaller power plants can be used.

 

Then i advise you drop your gas price by 30%.
Or make it democratic. Cut it 15%. That way both friends find an agreement.

Meanwhile even Nordstream III is in debate of realisisation.

 

I remember when Trump said NATO was obsolete. Both Republicans and Democrats criticized Trump for that. IMO so long as NATO does exist and member countries want it to continue then any member who stays with NATO should respect what NATO's mission is. No one is forcing countries to stay in NATO.

 

Trump discussed pulling the US from NATO and I have to agree with him on this. Germany will never use NATO to extort American taxpayers to help subsidize Germany's energy needs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

 

Mission creep? Hardly. Turkey became a NATO member in 1952.

http://www.mfa.gov.tr/nato.en.mfa

Ever since our NATO membership in 1952, the North Atlantic Alliance has played a central role in Turkey’s security and contributed to its integration with the Euro-Atlantic community. Turkey, in return, has successfully assumed its responsibilities in defending the common values of the Alliance.

 

Fantasies

 

Without NATO no influence in Europe.

 

Yes, I understand all that.

Mission creep does not depend upon which year it began.

If you take the time to read Sibel Edmonds' book "Classified Woman" (she is Persian, educated partly in Turkey) you will learn how treacherous the Turks have been to the US. Like Israel, Turkey is no ally of the US.

 

In all reality, I think Turks are pissed at Europeans and NATO for not being admitted into EU. They aspired for it back in early 2000s and were shut down, even though their economy is strong enough to be a part. It seems to me, the only reason they were not admitted is because they are Muslims. But they are the most advanced and free Muslim country in the world, though.

 

Turkey was allowed into Nato only because it had sent troops to Korea. They in turn wanted to join because they knew their control of the Bosporus was a threat to the Soviet Union.

As for Nato's values being the same as Turkey's, are you trying to say that birds of a feather flock together?

They say that wicked birds will fly,
together up in yonder sky.
​

But not the true, for fate has shown
that justice likes to fly alone - Jeannette

​

 

Considering the crap Erdogan is pulling, it is good that Turkey is not in the EU.

 

It was, today it's a tool for America.

 

Deception is part of the Turkish culture. It's how they established their empire. To kill the Christians, they would first take captive their most influential members and say they'll be released when they hand in their guns. Once they had the guns, they would hand them to the Turks and the killings would start. They used this method against my maternal ancestors in 1823, and later with the Armenians and Pontiac Greeks.

Americans - Never give up your guns.

 

As a Muslim nation Turkey could never accept the laws of the European Union, What really upset Erdogan though, was when his army tried to overthrow him. He knows Nato was involved and from what I read he was saved by Vladimir Putin and sent to the Russian base in Syria..

I believe it's true because I see no other reason for the philosopher Alexander Dugan, who is Vladimir Putin's friend, to be stuck at the airport in Ankara during the coup. What was he doing there, except maybe as a liaison between Putin and Erdogan?

Erdogan is furious that Washington won't send him Gulen who is in Pennsylvania and who he believes was part of the coup. He is also furious that Washington is arming the Kurds who he sees as a threat to Turkey's integrity and rightfully so.

Anyway Erdogan can't trust the US and this is what draws him to Putin. Traditionally Russia and Turkey are enemies, so who knows what the end result will be. One things for sure, Erdogan is a opportunist with no sense of loyalty. He befriended Assad when he wanted him to clamp down on the Kurds, but then deserted Assad when he felt he might be able to grab a part of Syria.

Putin on the other hand is no fool, and knows that Erdogan is unstable so he holds him on a tight lease. I'm sure he watches his every move.

 

Weapons in Europe are regulated by the Weapons and Ammunition Law.[10] People over 21 may apply for a permit. Those with a history of criminal activity, mental disorders, alcohol or drug abuse will be denied a permit. There is also a thorough background check, interviewing neighbors and family, and the applicant must complete a course and pass a multiple-choice exam. Police have the last word on the matter, with an appeal possible to a captain of police. Firearms must be kept in a "safe place" in a residence, and may be confiscated by police if the owner is found irresponsible. Concealed carry is allowed with a permit.


No country is Europe has a ban on guns. I really don't know why people say only Americans civillians have guns or the right.
Like they say only the US has a Constitution.
Fantasies.

 

Wrong, it was to counterbalance the Warsaw Pact, lead by the Soviet Union.
The 3 western Allies, France, UK and the US needed a organization, to counter the Soviets in Europe.
It was not volunteer, but a need.

 

Wrong. NATO came first by several years.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/warsaw-treaty

The Warsaw Treaty Organization (also known as the Warsaw Pact) was a political and military alliance established on May 14, 1955 between the Soviet Union and several Eastern European countries. The Soviet Union formed this alliance as a counterbalance to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), a collective security alliance concluded between the United States, Canada and Western European nations in 1949.

 

The US spends around 3% of its military budget on NATO, and uses its bases in Europe to wage wars which have nothing to do with NATO

The US is abusing NATO, always has and always will.
The US is already destroying NATO and the European are starting their own, the infrastructure is already there, the NATO infrastructure, just eliminate the US, like the Trans Pacific Trade Agreement.

The Idiot in Chief is showing the US limits, with his trade wars and what he is doing with NATO.

 

The Time frame is rather unimportant, what came first or second.
It was the understanding of the 3 western countries, what the Soviets Union and its control of East Europe would mean.
The Eastern European countries had no say under the rule of the Soviets, Warsaw Pact or not and would provide a gigantic pool for a army, which they did.
The Warsaw Pact was a formality dictated by the Soviets