Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

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  1. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, but arguing with someone who believes every conflict in the last half century is the USA's fault is silly

    Just because you say 'fake claims' and 'totally bogus' does not make it so.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anti-Americans...they are legion.
     
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    I estimate it would take a US navy ship about two hours to cover 50 nautical miles at good speed (over 20 knots). If they knew an Iranian speedboat was installing a mine on the tanker they’d get to the ship long after the Iranians got away. I’m not sure they could detect a small speedboat 50 nautical miles away. I suspect the tanker didn’t radio the attack until the detonation. I think the US navy sent a drone to check out the situation after the detonation and have read Iran fired a missile at it. I don’t know whether the drone was armed, suspect it wasn’t.
     
  4. truth and justice

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    It was 9 hours after the explosion that the undetonated mine was removed. US war planes were 10 nautical miles away at time of explosion. The crew of the Kokuka Courageous told the navy that there was a possible undetonated mine on the hull 7 hours before the mine was removed
     
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    Did the US war planes that were 10 nautical miles away know of the explosion?
     
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    Little doubt that they probably saw it but they would not need to know - there was still another 9 hours before the undetonated mine was removed
     
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    That's the problem. Nobody believes your "facts".

    They were.
     
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    Not my fault the US made up the entire story of Iraq having WMD's.
     
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    "Couldn't have been us because we wouldn't attack a tanker belonging to a good customer."
    They're screwing with us, perhaps pressuring us to protect tankers in the Gulf. We might be put in the position of attacking their naval forces--a black eye with some people, here and abroad, who would be inclined to see us as the aggressor. If they admit they attacked the tankers, it might cost them with people who would otherwise see us as a bully.
     
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    Maybe they didn't know it was there.
    I said how I thought he should have dealt with them. Considering he committed himself to a course of action that makes it all but impossible to get a do-over, I'd recommend he resign (just kidding)... I think he can hope they will attack as U.S. ship and give him an excuse to take out Iran's naval forces. He can stay the course and hope the EU has difficulty setting up a second method of settling international payments.
     
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    Logical answers please. Going by your logic who not attack one of their own ships....
    The US are already there to protect tankers in the gulf. So still no reason given on why they would attack a tanker - nothing to gain by attacking a tanker
     
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    That's how it's done. Tax cuts to encourage more consumer and business spending, and/or additional spending by the government (Trump's choice - national defense).

    Macroeconomics 100.

    Y = C + I + G +X

    •Where Y is our real GDP
    •C is consumption
    •G is government spending
    •X is net exports


    https://suclass.stanford.edu/assets/courseware/v1/a7f0163bb20913bdc717ed658dfa68fa/c4x/HumanitiesSciences/Econ1V/asset/Discussion_7.pptx
     
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    Huh? The Iranians are driving up oil prices and insurance on tankers. That makes everyone nervous and puts the world on notice Iran is going to resist getting squeezed by the U.S.
    So, who do you think attacked the tankers?
     
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    If can't come up with at least a few examples of our intelligence agency, Military and state department pundits lying, spouting propaganada, conducting false flags and so on - then there is little hope for you.
     
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    Because they are not trust worthy. It is a sad reality that our intelligence political and military pundits are pathalogical liars, spewers of propaganda and creators of false flags.
     
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    The countries with most to gain are Israel and Saudi Arabia
     
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    So, you think Trump is perpetrating a fraud on the American people?
     
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    It was a ship with a large US flag and US numbering. The survivors said that the IDF planes circled them closely earlier. The planes may not have had the tech but the pilots had eyes.

    Have a link?
     
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    I have no idea who did this. The sad part is that the US govt has lied so often that even many of the pro military conservative sites assume the US govt is lying. When the little boy cried wolf there really was a wolf in the end. Maybe Iran did it.

    One big "Red Pill" moment for me was learning about Libya. I don't even like Muslims much. We destroyed a good country because? ......Ghadaffi gave up his WMDs, trusted the US, then we killed him. That example was not lost on Iran I can assure you. Then there were the fake gas attacks in Syria. Now the warmonger twins Pompeo and Bolton cry wolf and no one believes them.

    If you want a breathe of fresh air, listen to Kim Iversen.


    Matt Bracken was on infowars about the tankers, starting at 15 min. He thinks the Iranians did it for complicated reasons. He said it is easy for seals to place limpet mines; he used to do it.
    https://www.brighteon.com/6048085386001
     
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    Finally someone with common sense that isnt conclusive in their assessment of the situation yet.

    It isnt best to jump in and assume it is an Israeli boat/sailors, CIA or anyone else until the facts are known.
     
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    Thanks. I did not know all that. I am still pro Israel but know they really did a very bad thing. I also know that Israel and the Saudis would love to have the US fight Iran. I would not put this past either one of them.
     
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    It's a pile of baloney that Saddam had huge stockpiles of WMD.
     
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    I know its over - the congressional committee finished the issue. Obviously you have never read the findings but, that is no reason to live in the land of denial.

    We were told all kinds of falsehoods and false narratives with respect to Iran. Only someone who has no clue what they are talking about thinks "uranium ore" is a "imminent threat" to the homeland. Only someone who has no clue things buried unusable chemical weapons are an imminent threat to the homeland. They covered up information from our own department of energy exerts with respect to the aluminum tubes - stating that they were not likely usable for enrichment.. nor did we find any evidence of Saddam enriching Uranium.

    There was no active WMD programs .. no "threat of a mushroom cloud". It was pure BS and anyone who has studied the issue knows it.

    The Niger Yellowcake narrative was completely false. Much of what Powell stated in his presentation was false - something he later regretted in no uncertain terms.

    The idea that Saddam had something to do with 911 was a fake narrative. That Saddam was an imminent threat to the US was a fake narrative. Especially given we had control of his airspace at the time and weapons

    It is those who continue in mindless denial that are promoting the crazy narrative that the Bush admin did not lie us into a war. .
     
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    I have no comment on Trump as listening to what he says is even worse than listening to the Establishment pundits. In terms of the speedboat - it would not be rocket science for some group who wanted to conduct the false flag to arrange to use such a boat.

    At the end of the day I have no idea who did it. My point is simply that I sure as heck do not believe any of the Saud, IDF or Pentagon has to say on the issue. This lack of trust triples when it comes to the enemy du jour.

    We now live in an Orwellian propaganda state. Russiagate is abject nonsense on steroids - They tell us that some facebook ads stating "The Truth" harmed our electoral process.

    Riddle me this por favor. How does an ad with a pic of Bernie Sanders with the caption "The Clinton foundation is a problem" - it is the Truth that Bernie said this numerous times - harm our electoral process ?

    How does the electorate knowing the truth about what Hillary/DNC did to Sanders during the primaries "Harm" our electoral process ?

    This is classic Orwellian doublespeak. I can go on and on if you like with respect to various other propaganda narratives .. Syrian war, the Iraq war and so on.

    In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence services to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens (not that they were not doing this before but now it is "State Sanctioned Propaganda")
     
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    Just what do you think your screed is? At best simply a simple mind regurgitating ideas fed him by others more malign or at the worst, active anti-Americans...OR, perhaps just one of the army of trolls paid for by our enemies...
     

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