Incels claim cannot find love and sex partners although they really do want such; thus they live in a state of inceldom. They are almost always white, almost always straight heterosexuals of conservative political beliefs.
It's the problem. They don't understand the opportunity beyond that. Not only they don't see that they're protected for the reasons I mentionned above. But being alone itself is wonderfull. That give you more time to read, to do sport, to meditate, to go hiking, to think, to learn art and music.
Very few men identify as InCels. I have nothing to do with their ideology and ideas about ... About 28% of young men and most men who have been married for a long time are involuntary celibate. In many forums I have been the target of anger of Leftist MarriedCels.
Being MarriedCel is the worst. All the responsibility with no relationship. I feel sorry for them, but I have been on the receiving side of their anger too many times.
I think that happy marriage can still exist however. I still tend to disapprove mariage for men. Men should be particulary cautious however, and avoid sex with women, maybe not before marriage but during the few month of relationship, and because men risk the most in a relationship (excepted when it is involving violent men), it's men that should decide not to have sex with women. During sex, you release oxytocin, which is a hormone that is responsible for love and bounding basically. I think it's why a lot of men stay with women despite those women are clearly toxic/abusive (the same could be said for gay couples/women/lesbians). And what is true for both men and women is that if you start to have sex with someone you start to loose your rationnality. I had avoided some nutsies that way, before I decided to stop consecrate time/energy/money to women for things that are much more important to me right now.
There is no question that it was a mistake to reject the ERA. Blame conservatives for that. As for seduction, well, I pass on that matter. Therefore, let's re-start the movement to enact the ERA. This time, let us have men take the initiative to get it enacted.
Still trying to sell that bovine excrement allegation of yours? Explain why military veterans have TWICE the rate of suicide as non-veterans. of all suicides? Explain why those suffering from chronic pain are TWICE as likely to commit suicide as those who aren't? Explain why guns are used in 50% of all suicides? You should be advising men to NEVER join the military or own a gun or suffer from chronic pain if you are so worried about them committing suicide. Why are you IGNORING all of those other RISK FACTORS? Why are you disingenuously ASSUMING that all men will end up in a divorce when the rate is only 41% for first marriages? That the other 59% are going to LIVE LONGER by getting married exposes your inane position of advocating that no single men should ever get married because that actually INCREASES their RISK of SUICIDE. The math doesn't lie!
Last warning, either you start to be polite or you go on the ignore list. I never denied that, probably because of traumatic experience. There is a lot of suicides in France, Scandinavia or Japan and they don't have a lot of guns. Guns is just a tool to get the work done. But I absolutly advise men to never join the army. Dozen of thousand of people were sacrificed, because they were told to "protect" their country. Not only it's not anymore the duty of men to protect their country (equality), but they will be sacrificed in the name of economic interest, because I don't think what happened in Iraq protected the US, or there wasn't another way to deal with Afghanistan which didn't implied the death of thousand of almost only men. About gun, I'm not in the gun debate, but in country where men don't have guns, they hang themselves. By the way, if a man suffer of depression he should get ridd of his gun to protect himself as long as he has those problems. I'm not ignoring them, they were not in the discussion. By the way, we can't resume suicide to divorce. You're trying to create a false dillema, not because men should avoir marriage for protecting their own lives doesn't mean that we have to not look at the other factors. But you're right, men shouldn't join the army either and let that job to women. Because the risk of suicide is absolutly not the same for single men than divorced men. Divorced men get a risk of factor of 2,47, single men only 1,16. I'm using back the document there : Let's take a population of 1 000 000 men. There is a suicide rate of 13/100 000 people. Married people have a risk factor of 1, divorced men of 2,47 and single people. If 60 000 people end to still live married and 40 000 people get divorced. You will get around 78 men which will end to commit suicide among married men. Among divorced men, you will get 128 men to commit suicide. The total number of suicide would be of around 206 per year. (600 000 x 13/100 000) x 1 for the number of suicides among married men. (400 000x 13/100 000) x 2,47 for the number of suicides among divorced men. Let's now take a population of 1 000 000 men. None marry. Single men have a risk factor of 1,16. You will get (1 000 000 x 13/100 000) x 1,16, you will have around 150 suicides per year. Basically, not marrying men will spare the life of around 58 people per million of men, that's a lot. And you're right, we could protect further men by preventing them to join the army for instance. If men don't marry and don't join the army, imagine the dozen of thousand of men that we could save, if not hundred of thousand. Don't you think that the life of men has any value ? Don't you think that this life deserve to be protected ?
Once again you are equivocating instead of dealing with factual reality. WHY do married men have only HALF the risk of suicide? Because they have someone that they can share their emotions with! https://www.suicideinfo.ca/resource/men-and-suicide/ Men are at greater risk of suicide when they zero emotional support. Marriage PROVIDES men with emotional support which is WHY married men have LOWER RISK FACTORS. That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you are erroneously alleging.
I don't know where you get that numbers. Risk factor of suicide for married men is 1, around 1,1 for single men and around 2,5 for divorced men. They have less than the half of the risk of suicide compared to divorced men yes, but they do'nt have half the risk of suicide of single men, rather 90 %. You can have friends too and not all husband/wives would listen to their husband/wives. No, the greater risk is when people get divorced, with all the things that go with that : loosing your children, your house. Single men have slighty more risk than married men, but the difference is roughly ten %. Not really. I have shown with the example above where I described what would happen if 1 million would marry then 60 % stay married and 40 % divorce, and what would happen if 1 million men stay single. It's when men stay single that there is less sucides globally. By the way some spouse may provide emotional support, but the opposite may happen as well, and rather have moral support, they will be emotionnaly harrassed, that's a possibility too. However you can have friends that might provied emotionnal support, or just use your money you don't spend in your family to go see a therapist. Basically there is other way to get emotionnal support than a spouse. We could compare that to a game. You roll a dice. On 1/2/3/4 you win 100 dollars, on 5/6, you will loose 1000 dollars. If you make an average (4 X 100 - 1000 X 2), you will get - 266 dollars on average. We can says that you're globally loosing at this game even if you could still roll a 3 and win 100 dollars. That's the same of marriage, I don't deny that there might be benefit to marriage, but the global risk offset the benefit. The decrease of suicide of married men doesn't balance the huge increase of suicide among divorced men. The increase of suicide rate would be lower among divorced men and the decrease of suicide rate among married men would be higher, I would probably have a different opinion on the topic. From a mathematical point of view, it's more risky to get involved in marriage than staying alone. Apparently you're married and happy, you're not really neutral on the topic. It's not because you went lucky that we should encourage young men to take the same risks you did.
Reading all of the above I’m so glad I’m a gay male. On the other hand I have to confess I have my fears about some of my kind given so many very nasty military generals were gay. Either way there’s enough primitive stupidity in all human genders and sexual proclivities to give anyone nightmares . As to the suicide and marriage statistics when today so many couples are living in long term de facto relationships it can be suggested those statistics are necessarily inaccurate.
I'm against marriage, for living in de facto relationships, it actually depend of the country, the state where you live and if you can manage to get real rights on your child custody if you plan for children.
Fake news again, I have shown that divorced men are one of the most risky population, it's not single men, it's divorced men. You have no counter arguments anyway than simply calling "false" without justificating. It's just intellectual laziness. Get arguments or don't post.
Your kneejerk denialism of the FACTS that expose the fallacies of your position is YOUR problem, not mine.
Someone who is happily married would not take his anger out on strangers online. Most men married for over 15 years are MarriedCel. I feel sorry for MarriedCels, but I have been on the receiving side of MarriedCel rage too many times.
Men homosexuality couples have their strength. I have red somewhere that gay couples were the least violent when lesbian one were the most violent. Apparently there is debate over that, and some sources are extremly cautious consider that kind of statement : https://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue I saw less emotionnal abuse among gay men than among heterosexual couples, but I'm absolutly unable to says if it's a real trend or just because I met only healthy gay relationships.
One person’s anecdotal evidence isn’t worth much but I’ll relay mine. Over the decades I’ve noticed lesbian couples are more frequently violent with each other if both partners are what I’d loosely term ‘butch’. Up until recently there was a selection process operating with gay male couples living together. The bigotry and snickering they encountered meant only the strongest relationships were out in the open and survived. Things have changed in the last ten years often for the better, sometimes to my horror. I observe a number of young gay couples, some with children, putting a huge effort into appearing as white picket fence normal as they can. I find many of them boring but maybe that’s because my generation survived by using camp humour which many young gay men just don’t seem to get, in fact some are horrified by it. On the other hand I have two close friends, ex professional rugby players with two sons who are white picket fence types yet also demonstrate a seriously radical political stance when it comes to gay rights. I’ve never seen anything like a fight between them but look out anyone who tries to confront these two with homophobia. I wouldn’t recommend it.
Interesting point of view. If I got children and died, I know a bunch of gay dudes I would trust more than a lot of heterosexual people or lesbian even if I don't deny there is clearly toxic gay people. In fact, I would prefer my children being raised by a gay couple than most single moms I know, that would be true for a little girl, but it's even more true for a little boy. For me the most important thing for raising children is love and mostly having a good mental health. At equal mental health, I would probably prefer heterosexual couples, but most heterosexual relationship I witnessed since my teenagehood were extremly toxic. I'm clearly not a MGTOW for the same reason I'm not a vegetarian. I'm not adept of absolute deprivation, but in the same way I avoid to eat meat most of the time, I avoid romantic relationships.
