Is the naive, militarily challenged, foreign policy neophyte, Trump starting a war with Iran?

That is a bit like claiming that crime is a result of all those policeman.

 

The neo-cons are on a roll today.

No, America has not been the savior of the universe from Ming the Merciless since WWII. Get that out of your heads.

 

There are very few places in the free world on the face of this earth where you are not safe. That did not happen by accident. Much of it is courtesy of the US Military.

Proud to have served and proud to live in this great land which made it all possible.

You are welcome.

 

Here is the reaction from the local Trumpets. These kinds of people chose our current President, and their comments are quite comical. To them, a war with Iran and her Mideast proxies is a joke.

Like I said, they support Trump.

 

How does that equate to "Leading from the rear does not get them the promotion you are talking about" You are stretching it beyond belief.

I am debating whether to call it a lie when you said "To them, a war with Iran and her Mideast proxies is a joke." I know it is not true, at least in my case. It is either ignorance or a lie. Your choice.

 

Obama, Kerry...all those that supported their policies with Iran. The billions in cash they gave Iran is being used to fund terrorist

 

When Trump is screwing up, which is nearly every day, Trumpets want to hide the issues behind a cloak of pure nonsense. They think they are being smart. Actually, the tactic makes them look foolish and desperate.

 

It will be a proxy war.. they'll probably use the Saudis

 

You call that garbage you jposted anything but foolish and desperate? That whole bit of garbage is nothing but disgusting.

 

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday that the United States is "considering a full range of options" regarding rising tensions with Iran, including military options, but emphasized that President Donald Trump has said that he does not want to go to war.

Pompeo hasn't learned yet? Americans do not trust anything Trump says. He has lied to us too many times. After all, he was the one who said, “No, it’s not what I meant. It’s what I said."

"The United States is considering a full range of options. We have briefed the President a couple of times, we'll continue to keep him updated. We are confident that we can take a set of actions that can restore deterrence which is our mission set," Pompeo said in an interview on CBS "Face the Nation."

Now we are getting to what Trump really wants. "Restore deterrence" is code for trying to force Iran to do what Trump wants them to do. And, if they don't do what Trump wants them to do? Trump is "considering a full range of options, including military options."

When asked if a military response was included in that set of actions, Pompeo responded, "Of course."

This is getting scary.

Here is the lunacy. "We don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon," Pompeo said.

We already had an agreement with Iran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Trump trashed it!!!

 

Trump is saying he needs to get new pollsters, although he says his own pet pollsters showing him leading everywhere.

He is President Doofus indeed.

 

General Election: Trump vs. Biden FOX News Biden 49, Trump 39 Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 49, Trump 40 Sanders +9
General Election: Trump vs. Warren FOX News Warren 43, Trump 41 Warren +2
General Election: Trump vs. Harris FOX News Harris 42, Trump 41 Harris +1
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg FOX News Buttigieg 41, Trump 40 Buttigieg +1
President Trump Job Approval FOX News Approve 45, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +8

 

Iran attacks tankers and you claim Trump is starting a war. TDS is getting serious.

 

You ignore the obvious from 2016.

Trump under polls.

 

Fox over polls for Trump.

 

Nope in fact most of the others poll democrats two to one over republicans when the numbers are more like 4 to 3 nation wide. And as we've seen in 2 of the last 4 elections national polls suck at predicting presidential elections in no small part because of the electoral college and because a few big city machines complete skew the popular vote.

 

Yep in fact Fox over polls for Trump. And no in fact the other polls do not poll in excess for democrats. That is just rw extremist consoling themselves instead of looking at the facts.

 

You are right about the polling blind spot for Trump. Late in October 2016, the Real Clear Average showed Clinton leading Trump by 7.1%. IOW, half of the polls showed an even greater lead for Clinton. Result: post election shock, awe and tears from The Clintons committed base.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epoll...ump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html#!



Re US military operations since 1945, I could not paste up the entire list in one post, and they called me out to make a command decision about turning the burgers on the grill - so I just posted the url on my last post. Here is the 2010 - 2018 segment:

• 2010–present: al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen: The U.S. has been launching a series of drone strikes on suspected al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, and ISIS positions in Yemen.
• 2010–2011: Operation New Dawn, On February 17, 2010, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that as of September 1, 2010, the name "Operation Iraqi Freedom" would be replaced by "Operation New Dawn". This coincides with the reduction of American troops to 50,000.
• 2011: 2011 military intervention in Libya: Operation Odyssey Dawn, United States and coalition enforcing U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 with bombings of Libyan forces.
• 2011: Osama Bin Laden is killed by U.S. military forces in Pakistan as part of Operation Neptune Spear.
• 2011: Drone strikes on al-Shabab militants begin in Somalia.[19] This marks the 6th nation in which such strikes have been carried out,[20] including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen[21] and Libya.
• 2011–present: Uganda: U.S. Combat troops sent in as advisers to Uganda.[22]
• 2012: Jordan: 150 U.S. troops deployed to Jordan to help it contain the Syrian Civil War within Syria's borders.[23]
• 2012: Turkey: 400 troops and two batteries of Patriot missiles sent to Turkey to prevent any missile strikes from Syria.[24]
• 2012: Chad: 50 U.S. troops have deployed to the African country of Chad to help evacuate U.S. citizens and embassy personnel from the neighboring Central African Republic's capital of Bangui in the face of rebel advances toward the city.
• 2013: Mali: U.S. forces assisted the French in Operation Serval with air refueling and transport aircraft.
• 2013: Somalia: U.S. Air Force planes supported the French in the Bulo Marer hostage rescue attempt. However, they did not use any weapons.[25]
• 2013: 2013 Korean crisis
• 2013: Navy SEALs conducted a raid in Somalia and possibly killed a senior Al-Shabaab official, simultaneously another raid took place in Tripoli, Libya, where Special Operations Forces captured Abu Anas al Libi (also known as Anas al-Libi)[26]
• 2014–present: Uganda: V-22 Ospreys, MC-130s, KC-135s and additional U.S. soldiers are sent to Uganda to continue to help African forces search for Joseph Kony.[27]
• 2014–present: American intervention in Iraq: Hundreds of U.S. troops deployed to protect American assets in Iraq and to advise Iraqi and Kurdish fighters.[28] In August the U.S. Air Force conducted a humanitarian air drop and the U.S. Navy began a series of airstrikes against Islamic State-aligned forces throughout northern Iraq.[29][30]
• 2014: 2014 American rescue mission in Syria: The U.S. attempted to rescue James Foley and other hostages being held by ISIL. Air strikes were conducted on the ISIL military base known as "Osama bin Laden camp". Meanwhile, the bombings, Delta teams parachuted near an ISIL high-valued prison. The main roads were blocked to keep any target from escaping. When no hostage was found, the American troops began house to house searches. By this time, ISIL militants began arriving to the area. Heavy fighting occurred until the Americans decided to abandon the mission due to the hostages being nowhere in the area. Although the mission failed, at least 5 ISIL militants were killed, however 1 American troop was wounded. According to the reports, Jordan had a role in the operation and that one Jordanian soldier had been wounded as well. This was unconfirmed.
• 2014–present: American-led intervention in Syria: American aircraft bomb Islamic State positions in Syria. Airstrikes on al-Qaeda, al-Nusra Front and Khorasan positions are also being conducted.
• 2014–present: Intervention against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant: Syrian locals forces and American-led coalition forces launch a series of aerial attacks on ISIL and al-Nusra Front positions in Iraq and Syria.
• 2014: 2014 Yemen hostage rescue operations against al-Qaeda: On November 25, U.S. Navy SEALs and Yemeni Special Forces launched an operations in Yemen in attempt to rescue eight hostages that were being held by al-Qaeda. Although the operation was successful, no American hostages were secured. In the first attempt, six Yemenis, one Saudi Arabian, and one Ethiopian were rescued. On December 4, 2014, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) threatened to execute the Somers if the U.S. failed to the unspecified commands. AQAP also stated that they would be executed if the U.S. attempted another rescue operation. On December 6, a second operation was launched. 40 U.S. SEALs and 30 Yemeni troops were deployed to the compound. A 10-minute fire fight occurred before the American troops could enter where the remaining hostages (Somers and Korkie) were being held. They were alive, but fatally wounded. Surgery was done in mid air when flying away from the site. Korkie died while in flight, and Somers died once landed on USS Makin Island. No American troop was killed/injured, however a Yemenis soldier was wounded.

• 2015: April 30, 2015 U.S. sends ships to the Strait of Hormuz to shield vessels after Iranian seizure of a commercial vessel, MV Maersk Tigris. Iran fired shots over the bow, and seized the ship registered in the Marshall Islands, as part of a decade-long legal dispute between Iran and Maersk.[31]
• 2015–present: In early October 2015, the US military deployed 300 troops to Cameroon, with the approval of the Cameroonian government; their primary mission was to provide intelligence support to local forces as well as conducting reconnaissance flights.[citation needed]
• 2017: 2017 Shayrat missile strike: Tomahawk missiles launched from US naval vessels in the Mediterranean hit a Syrian airbase in Homs Governorate in response to a chemical weapons attack against civilians south-west of Idlib. Seven were killed and nine wounded.[32]
• 2018: 2018 bombing of Damascus and Homs was launched in response to the alleged Douma chemical attack against civilians in April 2018.[33]

Wiki

 

I did not say they were wars. The USG seldom bothers to declare war anymore.

Sandy - I am very anti-war. Read my posts again.

 

I'm glad to hear it.

 

The video was taken from a U.S. Navy P-8 Poseidon ASW maritime patrol aircraft flying at 12,000 feet from 15 or 20 miles away.

Basically it's a maritime bomber that snoops and poops.

The P-8 is replacing the Navy's P-3 Orions.

The P-8 can detect and destroy Russian submarines and sink enemy surface warships.
It also detects Iranian Revolutionary Guard commandos from 15 or 20 miles away.



Why Russia and China and Iran Fear America's P-8 Poseidon Submarine Killer
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...-americas-p-8-poseidon-submarine-killer-20877

 

The effects of TDS are quite interesting.
Navy says they have evidence and yet it is still trumps fault. It's raining today here in jersey...did trump do that too? Is it rain or God's tears because he is upset over Trump also? Let me here your crazy ideas. I may write a book

 

Odd, the one the OP is whining about being inept hasn't lost any territory in countries we guaranteed or seen a stable government fall into a terrorist state like Libya. What sort of intellectually dishonest 'standards' are liberals using these days?

 

This post was completely overwhelmed by trivia. I wonder why, and things are getting far more serious. This thread concerns a potential war with Iran.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday that the United States is "considering a full range of options" regarding rising tensions with Iran, including military options, but emphasized that President Donald Trump has said that he does not want to go to war.

Pompeo hasn't learned yet? Americans do not trust anything Trump says. He has lied to us too many times. After all, he was the one who said, “No, it’s not what I meant. It’s what I said."

"The United States is considering a full range of options. We have briefed the President a couple of times, we'll continue to keep him updated. We are confident that we can take a set of actions that can restore deterrence which is our mission set," Pompeo said in an interview on CBS "Face the Nation."

Now we are getting to what Trump really wants. "Restore deterrence" is code for trying to force Iran to do what Trump wants them to do. And, if they don't do what Trump wants them to do? Trump is "considering a full range of options, including military options."

When asked if a military response was included in that set of actions, Pompeo responded, "Of course."

This is getting scary.

Here is the lunacy. "We don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon," Pompeo said.

We already had an agreement with Iran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Trump trashed it!!!

Iran announced today that it expects to breach the terms of the 2015 agreement that was intended to slow its ability to develop a nuclear weapon opens a new and perilous phase of its confrontation with the West.

The Times reports, "If the Iranians make good on their threat to break through the restrictions on how much nuclear fuel they will produce, Tehran will have enough fuel to make a single bomb in less than a year for the first time since the 2015 agreement went into effect. The one-year buffer is the safety threshold that the Obama administration set and that the Trump administration has adopted to impede Iran from gaining the capability to build a nuclear weapon."

The 2015 Agreement. That's the one Trump trashed, removing the U.S. from the agreement. Trump destroyed the one year buffer that impeded "Iran from gaining the capability to build a nuclear weapon." Now the "the Trump administration has adopted it to impede Iran from gaining the capability to build a nuclear weapon."

Does that make sense? Of course not, but that is the Trump administration.

 

We haven't heard from the navy. Trump, Pompeo, Bolton, and Trump's lackey at the Pentagon, acting Secretary of Defense Shanahan, are doing all the talking. Why is that?

Something else is funny. Nobody has gotten hurt or killed and no serious damage has been done. Supposedly Iran set the mines, but all were above the waterline. That makes no sense. Supposedly the Iranians tried to shoot a drone down. They missed. No one on board the oil tankers has been hurt. With our dominance of the sea along with air assets, how is it an Iranian boat was able to approach the Japanese tanker? The owner of that tanker said it was not a mine.

Why it is almost as if someone wanted to make a series of attacks but didn't want to hurt anyone and didn't want to do any damage.

Kinda like a false flag event.

Trump is only being blamed for what he has done and said. That doesn't include rain.