The Trump®Wall Saga

Candidate Blowhard:

“I’ll build a big, beautiful wall and I'll
make Mexico pay for it!”
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Frustrated Blowhard, enabled by two years of GOP control of House and Senate:

“I’ll make Americans pay billions for my ‘big, beautiful wall’
that I promised Mexico would pay for!”​

Petulant Blowhard:

“That does it! Unless I get my wall,
I’m shutting down the government!"
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Fake Blowhard:

"Give me my wall, or I’ll close the border!”
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Loser Blowhard:

“Mexico will meet my unspecified demands to a “t”,
and I’ll do my beautiful victory strut - no matter what!"



"Seriously, how'd you get all those lazy Mongol criminals,
rapists, and gang bangers to pay for your wall?"




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So, how's Trump's "big, beautiful wall" that he insisted Mexico would pay for coming along?

Prayer rugs and duct-taped women hysteria notwithstanding, Blowhard has little to show for all his oral flatulence.

"The wall is going up. It's going up rapidly.
We're going to have over 400 miles of wall built by the end of next year!"
— Fox News interview.


"By next year, at the end of the year,
we're going to have close to 500 miles of wall!"
— remarks at the Republican Party of Iowa annual dinner.


THE FACT: Even if Trump prevails in court, all but 17 miles (27 km) of his awarded contracts replace existing barriers.

https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Trump-fudges-facts-on-economy-14002115.php

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In the post-factual world of Trumplandia, objective reality takes a back seat to hyperbolic rhetoric. If Don says it is so......it is so.

“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”
― George Orwell

 

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!

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Those who don't believe are treated like heretics to be rhetorically stoned to death and thus driven out of the cult.

Trump Campaign To Fire Pollsters Following Leaks Showing POTUS Losing To Biden

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-reelection-campaign-fires-pollsters-leak-biden-beat-trump

 

How are the democrats any better? They claim that walls are now obsolete. However, they have never came up with the magic technology which suddenly made walls obsolete.

 

I can tell you're trying to say something.

 

Your 1,649th deflection is noted.

 

Yes, he's trying to change the subject..........it's how he rolls.

 

I thought I was pretty clear. The democrats claim that walls are now suddenly obsolete. What has happened in the last ten years that made them obsolete. Something must have changed. What was it?

 

Does everyone notice how the democrats keep avoiding the question? They claim walls are now obsolete, but can not provide one iota of evidence to back up their claim.

 

Your posts provide the record.

 

If you want to make that the question you should start another thread.

 

But did you keep count?. If anyone believes that I have a few acres of beautiful coastline I would love to sell.

Nah. I will stick with this one. The issue is the wall. You provided one side of the question. I am providing the other.

 

The issue is Don's dishonesty about the wall...........no matter how diligently you try to change it.

TRUMP: "The wall is going up. It's going up rapidly. We're going to have over 400 miles of wall built by the end of next year ... And we just won the lawsuit on the wall." — Fox News interview Friday.

TRUMP: "By next year, at the end of the year, we're going to have close to 500 miles of wall." — remarks Tuesday at the Republican Party of Iowa annual dinner.

THE FACTS: He's being overly optimistic. It's unclear how Trump arrives at 400 to 500 miles (800 km), but he would have to prevail in legal challenges to his declaration of a national emergency or get Congress to cough up more money to get anywhere close. Those are big assumptions. And by far the majority of the wall he's talking about is replacement barrier, not new miles of construction.

https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Trump-fudges-facts-on-economy-14002115.php
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It’s yet another reality check on Trump’s pet project. Experts have been pointing out the logistic and legal impracticalities of building a wall across the entire length of the US-Mexico border since then-candidate Trump made it a keystone campaign promise.

They have also argued that a physical barrier will do little to address the very real immigration and drug trafficking problems the US is facing. The showcase prepared by Homeland Security officials for Trump’s visit shows why.

https://qz.com/1520651/border-patrol-agents-in-texas-showed-trump-why-his-wall-wont-work/

 

Who are "they"?

Please provide a link to whoever is telling you this.

 

Which no worse than the democrats dishonesty.

Is this close enough.
Democratic Rep. Harley Rouda (Calif.) says lawmakers could quickly reach a deal to end the partial government shutdown if President TrumpDONALD JOHN TRUMPTrump cites tax cuts over judges as having biggest impact of his presidencyTrump cites tax cuts over judges as having biggest impact of his presidencyOcasio-Cortez claps back at Trump after he cites her in tweet rejecting impeachmentMORE would give up his border wall, calling it an idea from "medieval times."
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...d-be-comprise-if-trump-gives-up-medieval-wall

 

Would you like to provide the record of all those deflections to show that you kept track?

 

Trump Claims His Wall Is Being Built. It’s Just a Replacement of Old Barriers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/us/politics/new-mexico-wall-fact-check.html

"President Trump has been eager to show progress on construction of his long-promised wall on the border with Mexico. So eager that on Wednesday he sent a tweet showing the building of steel fencing in southern New Mexico.

The section of the barrier that Mr. Trump showcased this week was not new construction, but rather replacement for existing fencing."

 

Apparently, when you rail that "They claim that walls are now obsolete," what you mean to say is that one representative noted that walls without high-tech security enhancements existed in "medieval times."

Hyper-partisans hyperbole is deflated by the reality that Trump enjoyed the luxury of a Republican-run Senate and a Republican-run House for two full years, and Republicans refused to give him the taxpayer money for his "big, beautiful wall" that he promised Mexico would pay for, and most Americans do not want.

 

The wall is a symbol for Trump. The problem with it is that it actually detracts from the harder questions, because it gives Trump something else to talk about.

The POSITIVE. If actually completed and manned, logically it would be an impediment to more illegal aliens crossing the Mexican border. Logically, it would reduce the stress on resources going to housing recently arrested people coming across and deporting them back over without "catch and release," although right now we can toss back over anyone detained within a couple hundred miles of the border. There's no "concrete" figure as to how much it would cost to build, let alone the more important figure of how much it would cost annually to maintain and staff it. But presumably, it would reduce the number of folks coming across and making it into "the heartland" where they're harder to find.

The NEGATIVE. It just let's Trump avoid the real difficult issue. It does nothing about the 11 million or so already here. The only way to find them is though better employment and housing vetting. And if you find them, what to do with them.

"A third of undocumented immigrants 15 and older lives with at least one child who is a United States citizen by birth. Slightly more than 30 percent own homes. Only a tiny fraction has been convicted of felonies or serious misdemeanors."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

If you deport a caretaker of a minor child citizen, the child then becomes a ward of the State, and that's expensive, and I think we all agree that children are more likely to grow up criminals or addicts if they are raised in foster care rather than with families.

But while a majority of voters were in favor of some path to citizenship, the minority were so hostile to the notion that it was unworkable. Do you toss the adult back over the border (and not all are from Mexico) as soon as the minor citizen is an adult? Is it even possible, or will the adult just go underground and live in the shadow of the citizen? Or do you let them stay, but never become a citizen? Do they get soc sec and medicare?

And what do you do with minors who are brought here? Constitutionally, we have to educate them … unless they are deported. Frankly, even I am mystified about how a dreamer can get scholarships that citizens don't get, and graduate college. No doubt they are motivated and hard workers, but why do we give any public resources to them? Unless we want them to be citizens and pay taxes, and raise more taxpaying citizens. And Trump was eviscerated by Ingraham and Coulter when he tried that approach.

 

What they called it was "an idea from medieval times". That idea from medieval times appeared to work up to around ten years ago and now suddenly they do not work. What changed? Maybe just a bit of hypocrisy?

The headline: "Democrats were for a wall before they were against it"
"Worse, Democrats are doing it over a border wall strikingly similar to one that they almost unanimously supported just five years ago. While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) now says that “a wall is an immorality,” back in 2013, she supported a bill that required the construction of 700 miles of border fencing"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...36fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.15ca38fe9336.

 

Again, by "they," do you mean one representative?

Indeed, walls were commonplace in medieval times, and were devoid of the hi-tech security systems we have today.

Are you upset because Speaker Pelosi is continuing the two-year policy of the Republican-controlled House and Republican-controlled Senate of refusing to give Trump billions of taxpayer dollars for his "big, beautiful wall" that he promised Mexico would pay for and that most Americans do not want?

 

No. I am not upset about anything. I just love hearing the democrats spouting about how walls are no longer effective when they wanted a wall just a few years ago. I am still waiting on what made the walls suddenly ineffective except for the hypocrisy of the democrats. I suspect I will be waiting for a very very long time.

And those low tech walls worked. Now we can add a few high tech items and really make those walls work. Which, by the way, I have brought up several times in the past.

 

Not surprising that you would use one of the most intellectually dishonest op-ed's I've read in a while. Thiessen refers to a bill I link to quite often as an example of how the uber-conservative Freedom Caucus blocked the 2013 compromise bill that provided for.........wait for it...........A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP for the then 11M undocumented immigrants.
https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill
That bill provided for "700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements." The emphasis being on a comprehensive approach, not the wasteful, singular focus on a massive wall.

Something Thieseen admits to.........."Democrats will object that the Gang of Eight bill did fund a border wall, but it was in exchange for a lot of concessions. Of course it was. As Obama said at the time, “the bipartisan bill that passed today was a compromise.”

And then goes on to tell a lie in defense of his disingenuous attempt to paint Dems as hypocrites.
"But today, Democrats are refusing to compromise or lay out what concessions they would accept in exchange for wall funding."

The truth is, Dems understand all too well that Repubs remain intransigent, no matter what Don says, on the subject of legal status or a path to citizenship for qualified applicants.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/19/tru...y-over-immigration-amid-border-wall-push.html