Alabama’s Draconian Abortion Ban Has Women On Twitter Ready To Fight

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And advances in medical technology will keep pushing that point lower and lower.
     
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  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they won't say.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    You mean prior to birth?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    You said that if we care about the zygote then we should also care equally about the sperm. Well that's a terrible argument. The sperm alone cannot become a human.
     
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    "THEY" say clearly that a fetus is NOT a person until BIRTH.

    Why wouldn't I say that, I have said it to you dozens of times....so your accusation is "misrepresentation".


    A fetrus at viability has PROTECTIONS NOT RIGHTS.


    There I said it so you know what that makes you ! :)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most pro-choicers are not as unabashed and straightforward as you, about that.

    Admit it, FoxHastings, you are a little bit of an outlier and extremist among pro-choicers.
     
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    Actually no. It is protected but it is not a "legal person" until birth. It is "protected " as a person might be...but it isn't a person.
     
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    THE UN CHERRY PICKED POST:

    "THEY" say clearly that a fetus is NOT a person until BIRTH.

    Why wouldn't I say that, I have said it to you dozens of times....so your accusation is "misrepresentation".


    A fetus at viability has PROTECTIONS NOT RIGHTS.


    There I said it so you know what that makes you ! :)





    I do NOT have to "admit" anything to you...

    I am NOT an extremist ...I just lay down the facts and YOU don't like them.

    Your continually cherry picking my post ( to leave out those " INCONVENIENT " parts ) show that beyond a doubt.

    BTW, the topic isn't me.
     
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    Neither can the zygote Mr. "terrible argument".
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not going to make replies to all parts of your post when your posts are so long, and when your posts are in a confusing format (your lazy quoting style, takes a bit of effort to tell sometimes what parts of your post are quotes from someone else).
     
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    :)

    Excuse # 19.

    "Oh, your posts are so long poor me just can't handle all that"" Ya, like 3 or 4 sentences ( but then again, righties favorite format ARE bumper stickers:) )

    Excuse #20

    "Your posts are so hard to quote because I don't know how""


    Isn't funny how you say """your posts are in a confusing format (your lazy quoting style, takes a bit of effort to tell sometimes what parts of your post are quotes from someone else)."""

    but I have no problem answering your posts and many , many posters reply to my posts with no problem !!! :) :) Seems I'm not the one with a problem :)
     
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    Roe v Wade allows for such advances, of course.

    When do you think it is now, and what indication do you have it will ever be much lower?
     
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    NO, in over ten thousand years gestation has not shortened.

    It is 9 months.

    It is NOT getting shorter.

    Fetuses do NOT grow any faster than they used to.

    Viability is STILL 23-28 weeks.
     
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    Viability is achieved at 23-24 weeks of gestation.
     
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    True.
     
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    Why do you believe viability should be the point at which rights are accorded?

    You okay with a woman expelling her fetus at 24 weeks, because she doesn't want to be pregnant?
     
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    It's not my choice, and I oppose politicians dictating to a woman.

    Viability is the legal, medically-informed standard, roughly corresponds to the traditional Christian concept of the "quickening," and is supported by most Americans.

    Extremists who seek to make it much earlier or much later have little rationale or support.

    You have nothing to justify medical advances ever resulting in a much earlier viability?
     
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    That's not quite true. The fetus begins kicking before viability.

    I find it disingenuous that you call those who oppose abortion some time before viability "extremists".

    But that's kind of an evasive answer, isn't it?
     
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    Mindless "kicking" is not a criterion for the State seizing control of the womb.

    It "roughly" corresponds - could be earlier or later.
     
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    How cold.
     
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    "Cold" is demanding politicians seize control of the womb and dictate.

    The woman making a personal choice, in consultation with medical and spiritual advisers, friends and family, is preferable to State bureaucrats issuing impersonal commands from on high.
     
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    You have no problem with government dictating in other areas of people's lives.

    It's only sex and abortion you don't want the government coming in.
    You don't like the notion that a pregnancy could be a consequence of having sex.
     
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    Why do you need to make such a fake claim?
     
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    Viability is at viability no matter if the fetus kicks or not.


    They are extremists.

    There is no reason to ban abortion before viability.




    """Viability is the legal, medically-informed standard"""


    NOPE, not evasive at all ...precise and to the point.....:) which is why YOU think it's "evasive".....
     
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    Absurd. The pols abandoned FPTP to modify the seat totals.

    Will the seats break down according to the percentages? Not exactly.
     
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