Is the naive, militarily challenged, foreign policy neophyte, Trump starting a war with Iran?

Of course everything is Trump's fault, including the weather in New Jersey!

You know who owns a golf club in New Jersey? TRUMP!

You know who wasn't in New Jersey today to play golf? TRUMP!

Wake up sheeple!

 

False Flag huh? Wake up Sheeple! <-- I think I can get a lot of use of that phrase in this thread!

OK Sandy, give me your odds that the US goes to war with Iran in the next two months.

 

I'm happy you agree with analysis. Something is funny about all this. Add two other factors to all this.

First, Trump is a pathological liar. We no longer can trust anything he says. We never could. So, when he says or Pompeo or Bolton says Trump doesn't want a war with Iran, that means nothing. His actions say he wants a war (see OP).

Second, Trump knows little or nothing about foreign relations and military matters. So, he has turned the whole matter over to warhawks Pompeo and Bolton and his lapdog, acting Secretary of Defense Shanahan.

This is dangerous ground. A war may start because a local commander or a fighter jock does something stupid. American and Iranian forces are in very close proximity. That is a recipe for a disaster.

The Iraqi army and air force were defeated before the first bomb was dropped in the Second Iraq War. There is a reason it took less than a month for U.S. forces to capture Baghdad.

Yet the war dragged on for over eight years. The coalition forces lost over 5,000 dead and 30,000 wounded. It is estimated that over one million Iraqis were killed. The CBO estimated about $1.9 trillion, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen, was spent on the Iraq War..

The IRGC has no such problem and they are very well trained and extremely dedicated. They have some of the most sophisticated warplanes on the planet along with ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can hit our ships.

The Iraq War would be a walk in the park compared to a war with Iran and her proxies. Adding to the size of the conflict, Israel would likely join the hostilities.

Trump doesn't seem aware of what he started when he trashed the JCPOA.

 

Speaking of facts, I noticed you didn't question any of the facts I presented. What are you worried about? You sound a little desperate.

The navy reported today that Iranian divers would have difficulty placing the mines because of their distance above the waterline. Why put mines on a ship above the waterline? Click on link.

https://www.apnews.com/6a48842e263541a5b3451f0d41dee01a/gallery/73246db710ce432cbe9767a9cb2e5ccb

 

To be frank, I don't care about your "analysis" because it isn't. I just want to know what you think the odds are of us going to war with Iran in the next two months. From your hysteria it sounds like you think it's quite high, but I would like to see a number to it.

 

Really? Well, tell us all what is wrong with my analysis?

That is the problem with Trumpets. The make accusations they can't substantiate or explain. We are just supposed to believe them.

 

I suspect that we will start escorting ships through the straits. What happens next will be up to Iran.

 

Despite our overwhelming military superiority in the region in the air, on the ground, and on the sea, we are sending reinforcements to the Mideast. The Pentagon is dispatching an additional 1,000 troops to the Middle East in response to recent attacks on oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman that the United States blames on Iran.

"The recent Iranian attacks validate the reliable, credible intelligence we have received on hostile behavior by Iranian forces and their proxy groups that threaten United States personnel and interests across the region," acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan said.

Politico reports, "The troops are being sent at the request of U.S. Central Command chief Gen. Frank McKenzie, who oversees U.S. forces in the Middle East. Some 1,500 other troops were sent to the region late last month at McKenzie’s request, shortly after the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group and a task force of B-52 bombers were also dispatched as reinforcements."

This is more provocation on the part of the Trump administration, and it reflects Trump's lack of knowledge of military matters. 1,000 troops to the Mideast is a meaningless gesture, inconsequential. Trump's purpose is to enflame the issue, not provide any meaningful purpose.

He is playing with fire.

 

The surest way to provoke an enemy is to go in unprepared for the worse. Just previously you said:

So, now you are doubting our military experts.

 

Another part of my analysis that isn't. Care to explain what I got wrong?

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday that the United States is "considering a full range of options" regarding rising tensions with Iran, including military options, but emphasized that President Donald Trump has said that he does not want to go to war.

Pompeo hasn't learned yet? Americans do not trust anything Trump says. He has lied to us too many times. After all, he was the one who said, “No, it’s not what I meant. It’s what I said."

"The United States is considering a full range of options. We have briefed the President a couple of times, we'll continue to keep him updated. We are confident that we can take a set of actions that can restore deterrence which is our mission set," Pompeo said in an interview on CBS "Face the Nation."

Now we are getting to what Trump really wants. "Restore deterrence" is code for trying to force Iran to do what Trump wants them to do. And, if they don't do what Trump wants them to do? Trump is "considering a full range of options, including military options."

When asked if a military response was included in that set of actions, Pompeo responded, "Of course."

This is getting scary.

Here is the lunacy. "We don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon," Pompeo said.

We already had an agreement with Iran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Trump trashed it!!!

 

I don't know where that came from. Why don't you use what I say rather than what you imagined I said.

The military does what it is told. It will do exactly what the White House wants it to do.

 

Then go back ato what you said and what I said. We are sending more troops to the area. The enemy is less apt to do something stupid, if they are seriously outnumbered.

Then you accuse Trump of not listening to the military while at the same time saying that the troops are being sent their at the request of the military commander responsible for the area.

 

Well I've read plenty of your analysis while we waited for the Mueller Report and you've been wrong about almost everything. So I take it with a grain of salt.

And of course you edited my comment to delete my question. Prediction accuracy is how we judge analysis, so... what are the odds of us going to war with Iran in the next two months? From your hysteria it sounds like you think it's quite high, but I would like to see a number to it.

 

Obviously, you cannot be taken seriously. Like most Trumpets, you don't substantiate or explain what you say.

 

--and I'd certainly enjoy reading his interpretation of the Mueller Report. Because if he's going to continue to proclaim that it's anything other than 448 pages of condemnation, he's going to have to explain himself.

 

What would Obama do? Give them a reset button. That there was foreign policy genius.

 

Bullying them doesn't work. Bullying never works. It separates rather than bring together.

 

I did. See my comment on waiting on the Mueller Report. You don't have any sort of track record of accuracy. And once again, you deleted my comment about a war with Iran (the actual topic of the thread by the way). So again, what are the odds of us going to war with Iran in the next two months?

 

Hopefully slim to none a war with Iran although Trump once again let his mouth get in the way of his brains.

 

Well in 2017 the establishment/media opinion was that Trump was charging head on into a nuclear conflict with North Korea. Instead, tensions have toned down considerably with North Korea. So I think the same strategy is in play here.

 

When Trump said he would play nice with Russia and North Korea the MSM threw fits.
When Trump said he would pull out of Syria and Afghanistan they threw fits.
Now he is ejngaged with Iran in ways no one is sure of and the MSM says he is starting a war.

The intelligence community is incompetent and dishonest. They learned about the Paki nuclear bomb and the fall of the USSR when they saw it on CNN. They advised Clinton that a Sudan pharma factory was making chemical weapons and GWB about the Iraq WMDs. They lied about the fake Syrian gas attacks. They lied about Libya then destroyed it and killed the president and armed Jihadis in Syria against an elected govt.

What is sad is that they may be telling the truth about Iran placing the limpet mines but few people believe them. Even the right wing anti Iran sites are citing the Gulf of Tonkin and USS Liberty.

 

1,000 support troops? Are you serious?

I did? When did I do that? Please quote me.

He loves his generals, except, of course, the ones he fired.

 

This isn't about Obama.

 

Show me how I can delete comments on PF.

Typical Trumpet, you are not saying a thing. You are wasting my time.