Trump Campaign to Purge Pollsters After Leak of Dismal Results

Trump has denied that those polls call him a loser and said that he is winning in all the polls, including the polls that we all hear about
on a regular basis. Your argument is bunk.

 

Please provide link to support your argument. Never mind, you subsequently posted it

 

Which argument?

The one about the Rules of this sub-forum? Sure, no problem. The portions you violated are highlighted in red.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/thread-creation-rules-updated-1-6-15.390502/

As far as a link to support my argument that they were fired because of the leak and not necessarily because of the "dismal results", I do not need to. You already provided a link that says:

"Trump Campaign to Purge Pollsters After Leak of Dismal Results"

It does not say they were fired because of the dismal results as you implied, it specifically says it was because of the LEAK OF DISMAL RESULTS.

 

Who would advise Trump to seriously campaign in Oregon? I know Stephen Miller is disturbing but not dumb. Steve Bannon's insight into the president suggests that the madness is entirely Trump-driven and that the cabinet/ advisors are terrified most of the time.

 

Sorry about that. I've assumed the link to NYT was available to everyone.

"Trump Campaign to Purge Pollsters After Leak of Dismal Results"

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s campaign has decided to purge some of its pollsters after a leak of dismal internal polls for the president that he denied existed.

Just two days before the president is set to kick off his bid for re-election, a top adviser said on Sunday that the campaign was cutting ties with three of its five pollsters to prevent further disclosure of survey data.

The polling showed Mr. Trump behind former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in several key battleground states, including by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The results were confirmed to The New York Times by advisers to Mr. Trump, but when they became public, he called them “fake polls.”

For days, aides to Mr. Trump have tried to figure out whom to point the finger at over the leak of the data, which jolted and infuriated the president. But in continuing to discuss it, aides violated a long-held unofficial rule of campaigns not to comment publicly on internal polling, even if the numbers leak.

large and elaborate rally in Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday night to formally open his campaign for a second term. Mr. Trump was hoping for a show of strength as Democrats had drawn increasing attention before their first debates on June 26 and 27.

The internal poll numbers, while not predictive, painted a bleak picture of the current state of the race for Mr. Trump, at least against Mr. Biden, when they were taken in March. They showed a number of critical states at risk — not just Florida and the Midwestern states, but even some longtime Republican bastions like Georgia. A Democratic state that Mr. Trump’s aides have insisted they want to put in play, Minnesota, appeared out of reach for the president.

The polling was reported on by The Times nearly two months ago without citing specific numbers. Last week, The Times reportedthat Mr. Trump had told aides to deny that such polls existed and to say that other data in the survey showed him doing well.

Some aides to the president appeared to be using the episode to undermine one of his closest advisers, Kellyanne Conway, who was Mr. Trump’s final campaign manager in 2016 and is now his White House counselor. Ms. Conway’s relationship with Mr. Trump, and the praise he has given her for his 2016 victory, have long stirred envy among other advisers to the president. Her former firm, the Polling Company, was one of the ones to be ousted. Ms. Conway no longer has any formal ties to the company, which was sold in 2017 to CRC Public Relations, a well-known conservative advocacy firm.

In addition to Ms. Conway’s former firm, the Trump adviser said the campaign would cut ties with Adam Geller, a pollster for former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, and Michael Baselice, a pollster for former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, both late additions to Mr. Trump’s campaign in 2016.

[Want to know what it’s like to cover the White House? Ask our White House correspondent, Maggie Haberman, here.]

NBC News first reported the decision to oust the pollsters, although it did not identify which ones. Two other pollsters, Tony Fabrizio and John McLaughlin, will remain with the campaign. Mr. Fabrizio conducted the March survey for Mr. Trump. As a pollster, he worked for Mr. Trump’s company many years ago, but he was brought into the 2016 campaign by Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, who was one of the people charged by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Mr. McLaughlin has known Mr. Trump for years and did informal work for him in 2011when the real estate developer was considering running for president.

Mr. Fabrizio and Ms. Conway declined to comment. Mr. McLaughlin and the other pollsters did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In recent weeks, Mr. Trump has angrily denied receiving polls showing him losing or instructing aides to deny them. “Those polls don’t exist,” Mr. Trump told ABC News in an interview broadcast on Thursday. “I just had a meeting with somebody that’s a pollster and I’m winning everywhere, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

But on Friday, ABC reported specific information from that supposedly fake polling. The data obtained by ABC showed Mr. Biden leading Mr. Trump 55 percent to 39 percent in Pennsylvania, 51 percent to 41 percent in Wisconsin and by seven points in Florida. The president was leading in Texas, a bulwark for Republican presidential candidates for four decades, by just two points.

When approached by the network with the numbers, Mr. Parscale confirmed that they were accurate, but dismissed them as outdated, insisting that the president’s public standing had subsequently been helped by Attorney General William P. Barr’s initial characterization of the special counsel’s report. A redacted version of Mr. Mueller’s report has since been released, showing that it was not as favorable as Mr. Barr suggested.

reported further data from the Trump campaign polls in March. The president trailed Mr. Biden by one point in Ohio, six points in Georgia, seven points in Iowa, eight points in North Carolina, 14 points in Minnesota, 15 points in Maine and 17 points in Virginia.

Internal polls, like any other surveys, are a snapshot in time and not predictive more than 18 months from Election Day, especially with Mr. Trump’s Democratic challenger yet to be determined. Historically, they are used by campaigns to guide their understanding of where to expend resources, and of the mood of the electorate.

But Mr. Trump is famously focused on numbers as affirmation — the larger the better — and he has recoiled at suggestions that he is struggling in a general election matchup. Throughout 2016, Mr. Trump began almost every conversation with reporters by highlighting his polling lead in public surveys of the Republican primary field.

“Well, the polls I see, we’re doing great in Pennsylvania,” he said in a telephone interview with “Fox & Friends” on Friday. “We’re doing really good in North Carolina. Florida, I’m winning by a lot. Ohio, I’m winning by a lot. I just left Iowa. We’re winning that by a lot. And every poll that I see and every poll that we have, I’m winning by — we’re doing well.”


Peter Baker reported from Washington, and Maggie Haberman from New York."

 

Thanks for clarifying the posting criterion. I should know it by now. Sorry

 

They are looking at Oregon because Michigan, Illinois, and Florida, are lost causes.

It shows they are already feeling desperate.

The next thing you know he'll be holding rallies in San Francisco. LOL!

 

During the 2016 campaign Trump boasted that he could win California. Afterwards he claimed that there were "millions of illegal voters" since he lost the state by over 4 million. The special Trump commission on voting irregularities subsequently/ quietly validated the results.

 

Trump's internal polls showed that?

 

Yup. The RCP average was eerily accurate.

 

He drank the Kool-Aid.

 

Trump said in a recent interview that those internal polls "don't exist", but now he's firing the pollsters for producing non-existent polls? Meanwhile, his surrogates are saying those polls (that "don't exist") are "ancient" (read: three months old) and, anyway, were conducted before the (false Barr) summary of the Mueller report was released, which "exonerated" roflol the president. But now (really really!), all of their current internal polls (which "don't exist") show a big swing back in the prez's favor from the "ancient" polls (that "don't exist"), while not releasing these current polls or otherwise proving they exist. What they left out: those current polls asked a loaded question that was prefaced by completing trashing the Democrats before asking who they favored in the 2020 election.

You can't make this **** up, folks. The reality star presidency is the gift that keeps on giving, or so say the late night comedians.

One thing I'm wondering about: If Trump says the polls don't exist but his surrogates say they did...which one is lying?

 

Yeah, go ahead and tell yourself that if it will help you sleep at night.

 

They just don't care. Moral relativism at its worst.

 

Coughing when Lord Drumpf is speaking: bad. Sniffing loudly all throughout two national 2016 debates: perfectly fine (and not at all indicative of a serious cocaine problem)!

 

They got fired for leaking the results of a poll that never existed. Makes perfect sense in the new reality show Trumperica!

 

The cows support him. They want to be able to fart in peace without some long hair hippie yelling at them.

 

No, they don't.

 

America certainly didn’t see Trump winning last time. Not the GOP, the press or anyone else. This time I think everyone knows exactly the type of person he is. He got a free ride from the press last time. This time he will have to win it heads up. He is a colossal con man so he definitely has a punchers chance, but he certainly is no lock. If the Democrats nominate another turd like Clinton, he might squeak by again. If not, he might be in for a long night next November.

 

LOL Steve Bannon just got his far-right-wing "Gladiator school" kicked out of Italy. I know that has nothing to do with this topic, it's just SO darned funny. If anyone wants more info on this, check out his interview with Axios on HBO...

 

Oh yes Bannon; another notable Republican monomaniac. The GOP is overflowing with fiendish pariahs.