Trump unveils new red, white and blue Air Force One paint job

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  1. Dayton3

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    I think an OV-10 repurposed as a presidential aircraft would be extremely handy for transporting the president to places like disaster zones where very few runways might be available. Sure they can use the helicopters (Marine One) but to be honest I've never been that big a fan of helicopters.
     
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    Not a bad thought.

    Im not sure how well it would do for Presidential transport.

    I guess this is a safety issue-but don't know.

    If its not safe for POTUS in a helo, he shouldn't be flying.

    I don't think we fly VIP's around in helo's if its not safe.

    Helo's are certainly less stable long term.
     
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    You think it's hilarious people write about the iconic air force one but not every lefty whining about the paint scheme that actually is our flags true colors. Interesting.
     
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    The only real weakness of the OV-10 is that its engines are underpowered which makes it difficult to pull up sometimes in mountainous terrain. This caused the loss of several in Vietnam. That said it probably would not be that difficult to build OV-10s with significantly more powerful engines.

    Finally, no OV-10 pilot has ever survived ditching the aircraft. Don't know why.
     
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    KC-130 landing and taking off from a aircraft carrier.

     
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    Did not know that.
     
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    U-2 spy planes have operated from carriers as well.
     
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    Fine use electricity.... Took your logic apart fast now didnt I..
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Loose lips sink ships.
     
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    That comparison is comparable to the cost of the jet fuel. Try again...
     
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    I have no interest in continue your charade..

    I gave you factual information and even tried to explain it.. You want to spin...

    Have fun with it.
     
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    You sound jealous.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not jealous.

    Tradition plays a major part of any military organization.

    The Marine Corps service uniform hasn't changed very much over the past 100 years.

    The U.S. Army has changed it's uniforms more than a few times since WW ll.

    There's always some Army general who wants a legacy.

    Remember the Army's Eisenhower Jacket or Ridgeway cap ?

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    Soldiers wearing the Ridgeway hat.
     
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    Korean war era?
     
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    My idea of patriotism is living according to the principles America was founded upon, which are the principles of enlightened humanism.

    Free speech. Freedom to practice any or no religion. Representation with taxation. Innocent until proven guilty. Rule of law. Checks and balances. Etc., etc.

    Trump and his acolytes wish to destroy all these and more.
     
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    The 2A is a mistake. History proves this.

    1.An armed populace fails to stop tyranny. Look no farther than our own shores. President Adams signed into law the Sedition Act, making it a punishable offense to speak badly about himself or Congress. Innocent American families were removed from their homes at gunpoint by the US Army and put into camps during WW2 based on their ethnicity. Today, the NSA violates our Fourth Amendment rights daily. In Hussein's Iraq, everyone carried firearms and yet persecution was a daily occurrence.

    2. Tyranny has been toppled without firearms. Don't you recall the Arab Spring? Tunisia was freed from a 25-yr dictatorship regime in a land where guns were banned. Mass protest did this--millions of unarmed citizens in the streets, stating their case in bold defiance of their tyrant. No gun necessary.

    So what good is the 2A?
     
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    Pretty certain not a one of those are spelled out specifically in the U.S. Constitution. Might've been implied or added in the Bill of Rights. But.

    1) Given that the U.S. was founded more than a decade before the constitution was written.
    2) Given that the basic original constitution do not mention them.

    How can you reasonably claim they were principles that America was founded on?
     
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    1953

    Ridgeway Field Cap
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    The M-1951 Field Cap became a problem for commanders who wanted to see a sharp military appearance with their troops. Although it was comfortable and liked by the soldiers, the cotton M1951 fatigue cap sagged and wrinkled, especially after laundering. It could not hold a shape and was considered slovenly by spit and polish officers. The Cap, Utility, Cotton OG-107 (1 Jul 1952 pattern), introduced in 1952, had exactly the same problems as the M-1951 cap. After the war in Korea became a stalemate, orders were issued demanding that M-1951 caps and OG-107 Caps be pressed and starched and cardboard inserts or other stiffeners be used with the field cap to.

    In 1953 this policy became official throughout the Army when Chief of Staff Gen. Matthew B. Ridgeway began directing forces to improve their soldierly image. Commercial stiffened and blocked models of the field cap were produced with a "coffee can" shape that met military appearance standards. Ridgeway's leadership on the issue came to be associated with the headgear, hence the name "Ridgeway Cap." The preferred model was the "Spring-Up" manufactured by Louisville Cap Corp. that was sold for $2.00 at the PX. Their ads for the cap had the caption, "The fatigue cap that never shows fatigue."

    The Ridgeway "coffee can" cap was not standardized by the Army, but its use became widespread. While the M-1951 fatigue cap and OG-107 cap remained the standard, many soldiers bought the Lousiville "Spring-Up" or other commercial Ridgeway caps during this period. These caps were superseded early in the Vietnam War period by the Cap, Field (Hot Weather) which is styled like a baseball cap.

    https://olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_clothing_m1951_cap_ridgeway.php
     
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    You do know that the Bill of Rights is simply the first ten amendments of the Constitution, right?

    And the Articles of Confederation were superceded by the Constitution.

    If you're going to preach a grade-school history lesson, at least get facts straight.
     
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    Mock up of the New Air Force One.

    Look at the size of that upper cab!

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    Only thing I'd add is a red fin on the tail like the current AF-1
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    The point is the Bill of Rights were not written in the Constitution originally. They were added because opponents of a strong federal government were reluctant to ratify it.
     

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