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The Only 2016 Campaign That Deliberately Colluded With Russians Was Hillary Clinton’s

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Which of the Russian ads that were proven to be Russian ads were incorrect or false?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jun 17, 2019
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    Trump said that he had no business in Russia, remember? He also said that he never met Putin, remember? Those people are low-level cons who do what Trump tells them to do. They may have been going back and forth to pass on info about the Trump Tower deal that Trump conveniently denied was still alive.
    Or sanction relief.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    I didn't see or hear any Russian ads.
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 17, 2019
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    ibobbrob, Jun 17, 2019
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    So, your allegation was false. Good to know.

    Try to bring facts and evidence to the argument next time.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jun 17, 2019
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    So, you have no idea if the ads were factual or misinformation and if they actually had an affect of the vote decision?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jun 17, 2019
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Trump has never conducted business in Russia. He spent years trying to set up business in Russia, but at this moment does not conduct business in Russia.
    He never did meet Putin prior to him becoming President.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jun 17, 2019
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    My allegation was false? What allegation?
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 17, 2019
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    No and neither do you.
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 17, 2019
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    You don't know that he never met Putin. Trump's son said that a lot of their business is done in Russia.

    Donald Trump Jr. in 2008 said a lot of Trump assets were in Russia ...

    https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia...
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    From your article...
    So, no business in Russia.
     
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    Does anyone actually know what FusionGPS does and who Glen Simpson is? If you did we wouldn't have 8 pages of projection and conspiracy theory.
     
    PPark66, Jun 17, 2019
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    Ok, so "no" business IN Russia, but a lot of business WITH Russia which produces an identical result.
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 18, 2019
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    Not really...Russians pouring money into the USA is good for our economy, v. Russians spending money in Russia.

    Essentially, the Trump Organization was bringing assets from overseas and investing them here...making America great
     
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    Essentially Trump borrowed money from oligarchs for his projects and they have an influence over him. Essentially, Russians became
    partners with Trump and may have been involved in money laundering because some of these projects had large cash balances and yet
    they went bankrupt. The money pouring in had no effect on the economy but did inflate Trump's pockets. You do remember his statement at the UN that he was worth 10 billion dollars when his net worth when campaigning was 3 billion dollars, according to him.
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 18, 2019
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    He didn't borrow money...they invested in his properties...ie purchased property. If the Russians were purchasing real estate to clean their money so be it...all Trump provided was real estate for sale.

    Which properties that Russians purchased went bankrupt?

    Sure it had an effect on the economy...people go play golf at his resorts, retail is in his buildings in NYC, Chicago etc.
     
    struth, Jun 18, 2019
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    Give it a rest, Struth. These Russians were partners with Trump and some also loaned him money since he can't find any banks, with one exception. Three properties in NYC have been mentioned and I am certain that there were more. Don't you know what kind of person this Trump guy is yet?
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 18, 2019
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    What Russians loaned him money? I know what kind of person claims things without proof
     
    struth, Jun 18, 2019
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    Of course, there are also the facts one might consider or choose to ignore:

    Political campaigns routinely conduct opposition research.

    An illegal instance of that:

    On July 27, 2016, Trump called on Russia to find presidential Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s missing emails.

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    “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find
    the 30,000 emails that are missing!"

    Federal campaign finance law prohibits any person from soliciting campaign contributions,
    defined as anything of value to be given to influence an election,
    from a foreign national, including a foreign government.
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    The Steele dossier comprised 17 memos and was authored by Christopher Steele, a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (MI6), for the private investigative firm Fusion GPS.

    The investigation was commissioned in October 2015 by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. (It was primarily funded by Republican donor Paul Singer.)

    In April 2016, attorneys for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.

    Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research and was reportedly paid directly by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn R. Simpson. While compiling the dossier, Steele passed information to both British and American intelligence services.

    (Much of the dossier remains unverified. The Trump Justice Department Special Counsel's report contained over a dozen passing references to the document’s claims but no overall assessment.)

    Contrary to repeated fake claims by Trump, Fox News, and rightwing media entertainers, the dossier was not the impetus for the opening of the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election campaign.

    That investigation, corroborated by separate investigations by the NSA and CIA, and confirmed by the Republican-run Senate Select Committee and Intelligence confirmed in its official report:

    We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election.

    Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton,
    and harm her electability and potential presidency.

    We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.
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    There are both deranged, hyper-partisan paranoids and bold-faced liars who will contrive their alternatives to reality, but that reality will persist.

    It is a case of the FBI, NSA, CIA, the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, and the Republican-run Senate Special Committee on Intelligence vs Trump fanatics.

    Wherein credibility resides is obvious to all but the incorrigibly Trumped.
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    Natty Bumpo, Jun 18, 2019
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    So basically you are saying it is OK for democrats to actually do it, just not a republican talking about it.
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 18, 2019
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    If you are saying that, there is nothing to prevent you from doing so.

    I simply note the official consensus of the FBI, NSA, CIA, Trump Justice Department's Republican Special Counsel, and Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence:

    "Russia's goals were to ... denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.
    We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

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    Hardcore Trump bum kissers will cling to their feeble, self-serving contrived fantasies, of course, but that's the way it is.
     
    Natty Bumpo, Jun 18, 2019
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    Facts = fantasy. Liberal logic 101.
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 18, 2019
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    If you have any intelligence confirmed by the FBI, NSA, CIA, Trump Justice Department's Republican Special Counsel, or Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that in any way lends credibility to your Trumped up crap, please cite those reports.
     
    Natty Bumpo, Jun 18, 2019
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    Are you saying that Downer, a foreign national, did not offer unsolicited information to the Obama administration?
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 18, 2019
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