DOJ sides with Treasury over Dem demands for POTUS Trump’s tax returns: ‘Can’t have them.'

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Not the first bill. Any tax returns, I see they snuck in a second restricting to ANY elected official which means people will be less likely to run knowing that any vindictive Congress person get could a request through or even one of their corrupt New York buddies.
     
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    nope, just Presidents
     
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    Me and my guys are pro-abortion, pro-legalization AND pro-privacy.

    You guys aren't, which makes you no better than the social conservatives you're carping about...

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    Liberals don't support abortion rights?

    LOL!!!!!
     
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    "Earlier versions of bills in the New York State Senate and Assembly allowed for the request of any New Yorker's tax returns, but on Wednesday, amendments passed that narrowed the scope to tax returns of certain officials including the president, vice president, members of Congress representing New York, and others."
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-passes-bill-to-let-congress-see-trumps-state-tax-returns
    I had predicted some kind of backlash against the first bill and see they amended to certain elected officials.

    If they made it just about Trump, that would be a bill of attainder.
     
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    No you deflected by bringing up other individuals to compare trump to and justify his actions rather than discussing the OP or my points as you continue to do below

    That doesn’t mean we should just accept and and “not care” that they are lying. No wonder America is failing in virtually all metrics compared to other nations — you get the leadership you deserve. For every one item the Democrats overlooked with Obama you will overlook two with trump and for every one you overlook with trump they will ignore two with the next democrat presidency. I’m sure you see no reason for this to be concerning

    Thats a long way of saying yes, people are too stupid to see (or care) that he is lying to them.

    Now I know you are just full of it, Obama was called a liar on a daily basis — republicans were more upset over him wearing a tan suit than you are about fraud and corruption in the current WH.

    I hope I am wrong but I think this will be one of the many metrics that will be taken as precedent. So we will see where your word is worth — even though you “don’t care” that someone’s word is supposed to have significance especially if there isn’t something preventing them from honoring it.
     
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    The DOJ position is very important. Regardless of what the Court rules, the president won’t turn them over, and nobody will be prosecuted for contempt of Congress
     
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    They can get them IF they can show due cause. There's plenty of wiggle room.

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    Just because you do not seem to understand "comparisons", that does not make my response a deflection.

    So, let me ask you a few of questions:

    1. If the Democrats did not continue to bring up the fact that Trump did not release his taxes, would you really care?
    2. Have you personally ever bothered to look at the tax returns of Presidents or Presidential candidates?
    3. Or do you just wait for the media to tell you what is in them?
    4. What do you expect is in them that was not in his financial report that he was required and did submit?
    5. Do you think it is right to demand something that is not required by law?
    6. Do you think it is right for one political party to "dig for dirt" on a person of the other political party without evidence that they committed a crime?

    It is pretty sad to go through life thinking that anybody that does not agree with you is "stupid".

    Sure, there were some that were just as petty towards Obama and called him a liar over small issues. I didn't, but you just go ahead and paint me with that broad brush if it makes you feel better.

    I am very concerned about fraud and corruption in the WH....or any part of the Government. However, I have seen neither in this WH, though I see plenty within our Government....from both sides of the political aisle. In regards of the WH, I have seen speculations, innuendos, and accusations, but no evidence. I have witness a great movement to nail this President at all costs and do not feel that "digging until we find something" is good for our country. If we did that with all politicians in DC, we would likely soon find ourselves with an empty Capitol Building....which might not be a bad idea, now that I think about it.

    I would love to live in a world where honesty and integrity was the norm. Unfortunately, this world does not quite reach that mark.....and those attributes are very rare in the political world. If you want to discuss a lie from trump of some significant, then I might join you in agreement. There are certainly plenty to choose from. However, him reneging on submitting his tax return is not even close to being significant.
     
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    Democrats are using their offices for political gain. Classic conflict of interest problem for them. What a monumental waste of time and energy underpinning that massive amount of legal welfare democrats so often resort to when they use government to bully folks in the courts.
     
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    You won’t have to, the next dem president won’t hide his taxes like Trump
     
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    Oh, they're doing a lot more than trying to get his taxes. They're giving him the full rectal exam. And I thought in America we only did investigations after identifying a crime. I don't recall us routinely doing probing, invasive investigations in search of a crime.
     
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    You mean like bank fraud? Tax fraud? Lying on financial disclosures?
     
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    Did they uncover a crime before beginning the investigations? Or did they begin the investigations because they hated Trump?
     
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    I don’t believe that in the slightest, people have opinions and those opinions are usually a mix of personal reasoning, emotion, and facts. I have had numerous posters here make commentary that caused me to reevaluate my own opinions on numerous topics. But — saying “I don’t care” that the president is a liar, yes, stupid is one of the many terms I would use to describe such an individual.

    I have no problem with complete transparency of the individuals that write our laws. Complete transparency

    I disagree it isn’t significant, it is something that he could easily do — it is something he has voiced numerous times that he would do — and he is making significant efforts to keep them secret. It’s a foundational issue.
     
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    It’s called a financial disclosure which has already been verified by the IRS and FBI. Even you can see it online.
     
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    Cohen testified under oath, including providing documents, that seem to indicate either bank fraud or that he lied on his financial disclosures
     
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    If Cohen lied about this, they need to give him another 10 years in Sing Sing.
     
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    Works for me
     
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    You are 0-2...
     
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    Fortunately, the DOJ doesn't get to make that final call, but sad that some in the DOJ don't seem to understand simple English words..

    Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request.

    It's so easy, even a caveman can understand it.... so where does that leave Bill Barr?
     
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    Actually, since the AG is the top lawyer of the land they do. The only other avenue is to go through the courts. The dems are desperate to make something out of Trump's tax returns before the 2020 election but this would more than likely go to SCOTUS and be decided well after.

    What standing do democrats in the house have for demanding tax returns before Trump was President?
     
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    You don't need standing..... you just need the law I posted...

    I'll post it again in shortened form, bolding the applicable word

    "the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request"

    If they want his tax returns from his bonespur years, that falls under ANY.... Personally, I think they could go back to his Atlantic City years, so 6 years seems eminently reasonable...

    Delay is certainly his friend, but it won't solve his ultimate problem.......
     
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    If you have proof of those crimes you should contract the proper authorities so he can be impeached and prosecuted. Since you don't, it's pretty obvious it's merely a witch hunt for political gain. A clear abuse of power by the Dems
     
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    The problem with that law, is you are typing it all...even if it's turned over, it's got to be done in a closed door session with out certain members reviewing and it can't be made public.
     

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