Iran nuclear deal: Enriched uranium limit will be breached on 27 June

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  1. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    But they also still benefit a nation in some way, otherwise there is no incentive for nations to join them. Of course there’s compromise, but there has to also be incentive.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    In many ways, the Trump administration has been backing Iran into a corner, trying to force them into a fight. The attacks on the ships are nothing new for the US. They used an incidental explosion of a steam engine in a ship as an excuse to start the war the against Spain. The Vietnam war was also propelled by a fake attack on a ship.
     
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    Will they be having a party to celebrate??
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    That was the end of the Iran/Iraq war
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    That is a much better reply than the one I answered.
     
  6. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTF are you even talking about

    The "LEFT" had a deal, that Iran WAS FOLLOWING", Trump removed it because, well, "OBAMA" and now you just start spouting "The left is bad" ?

    WTF. You can't make this crap up with a team of writers !!!!
     
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    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

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    They were not you guys just stop. As soon as the deal was signed they deemed military spots off limits, you know where they actually would have weapons grade uranium if they were weaponizing. They also tested icm’s which were prohibited in the agreement. I wish I was shocked that you lefties are actually defending the largest founder of terrorism against innocent people but I’m certainly not. I posted you links to look over in post 40.
     
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  8. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Trump caused this problem. Best fix is to defeat Trump in 2020, then regenerate another agreement with the Iranians (if they'll trust us enough).
     
  9. icehole3

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    It wasn’t a deal. It was a bribe.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. But if you weren't satisfied, the proper way to handle it would have been to talk to Iran about changes rather than simply pull out & bully them with new economic sanctions. Trump has simply increased the chances Iran will seek to build atomic weapons--to protect themselves from us.
     
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    So they did all this since we left the treaty? You buy that?
     
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  12. icehole3

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    So go with total capitulation like Obama did.
     
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    Trump's own State Department said they were in compliance.
     
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    Obama got an agreement whereby Iran would reduce its stockpiles of enriched uranium and its capability to enrich.

    It wasn't a perfect agreement but it was better than what Donny has done, which is no agreement.
     
  15. icehole3

    icehole3 Well-Known Member

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    The clock is still going and the game's not over.
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Do you know the history between the U.S. & Iran? We have been the aggressors since the early 1950s. We overthrew their democratically elected government in 1953 & installed a puppet monarchical regime that the Iranian people hated. Capitulation isn't part of the picture here. We need to change our attitude & treat Iran with some respect, because we've not done that in the past & that caused these problems we deal with today. We have to take responsibility for our own behaviors & make amends. We were wrong.
     
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    OK, sure.
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    Whether you like it or not, America lives in a world of over 150 other countries, and their lives & dreams matter too. The most successful leaders or nations are those who find ways to work WITH others, not find ways to demean others, overpower them or disregard them. Trump is a destroyer of deals, not a maker of them. Trump is a walking disaster.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. The original deal did not allow access to military installations. BUT, there was a clause that allowed the US to request access to them. Iran said no.

    Weapons grade uranium is made in very special facilities and requires a lot of time to make. Also, as part of the deal Iran was watched very carefully by the international community so that we could identify if they were receiving any materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons, and if they were trying in any way to get the raw materials to make the weapons themselves. There was never any proof they did that. And we know that because they were complying with every inspection we asked for.

    This administration is saber ratteling to divert from Trumps problems right now. Hell, Stevie Wonder can see that
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You posted 2 links:

    One to fdd.org that is a neoconservative think take started by Clifford Davis. Davis has been an Iran hawk since the 80’s.

    The other you posted from realclearpolitics is an article written by Judith Miller. You wanna hang your hat on her “writings” ? The same Judith Miller who claimed Iraq and wmd’s ? THAT Judith Miller ?
     
  21. BestViewedWithCable

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    as if Iran was ever gonna abide the deal in the first place
     
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    What exactly do you base that belief on? It clearly isn’t evidence because Iran has never used WMDs in its history, even when they were used on them by their enemies first.
     
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    Trump's State Department said they were in compliance.
     
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    They were..... not anymore.....

    The deal was still in effect with many european countries. Just cause America left the deal doesnt mean the other nations will....

    Iran breaking the deal will lead to the rest of the world siding with America again.

    Iran bombed some oil tankers just in case some other country was thinking about trusting them.....
     
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  25. bx4

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    They were in compliance when USA left and imposed sanctions. America is insisting that other countries - that are still part of the agreement - comply with American sanctions. Which kind of undercuts the entire deal.

    There is no reason to believe that Iran would break the deal if America had not withdrawn. Ergo, by withdrawing, Trump has made the world less safe than it was before.

    Thanks Donny.
     

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