Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans

But they don't beat us in about all metrics.

 

Name a few we top out.

 

From the article I linked to ...

Also ...

It may not outright bar private insurance companies, but it would put them out of business instead.

 

Obama said he'd allow stuff too.

Didn't turn out that way.

 

I think we can agree that existing medical professionals aren't going to change careers just because the way they are paid gets simpler and is less bothersome. So they will remain in business.

Other than that, you seem troubled by the possibility that Medicare For All might be popular enough to cause people to vote in favor of it. So why don't Republicans get behind it and get the voters too? You can't blame people for voting in favor of solving some of our biggest problems.

 

And we don't want to pay for YOUR stuff, but if you need medical care you will find a way to get it even if it means dumping YOUR burden of expense on OUR backs, won't you?

 

The Biden plan to allow people to buy into Medicare is my favorite.

 

Keep in mind that the MFA program that passes will no doubt be different from the one Bernie is proposing. The smart thing is to shoot for the moon. Then, when you miss, you will fall among the stars, as they say. That is most likely what Bernie is doing.

 

Why are you dissing Trump? I thought you would think fat is in the way Trump parroting how "healthy" he is.

 

Heh....you might want to check in with the president on that one. He is taking taxpayers money to take care of those farmers you know.

 

The things you quoted don't say that private insurance would be banned. It says employers could not offer plans that COMPETE with his plan. Doesn't prevent employers from offering top-up plans that offer more / additional coverage. Doesn't prevent anyone from buying top-up plans on their own.

 

Why not have medical care paid for by tax but you have varying waiting times, and also private health care if you wish immediate treatment on all health areas?

 

And Trump totally invented farm subsidies, right?

Fat shaming is wrong.

My Angry Feminist Dance Theory professor told me so.

 

Right now I pay a premium for my employer-sponsored health insurance. As I understand it, if Medicare-for-All is enacted those premiums would be eliminated, so I'd be saving money. However, the federal government would be paying those premiums instead and passing along the costs to me and every other tax payer. My position on MFA depends largely on the balance between my current premiums and the tax increase that MFA would bring. It's a selfish way to look at it perhaps, but if everyone did the same, we would get whatever system benefits the majority, in theory. I just wish there was a concrete plan on how MFA is going to be paid for so I can do the math for myself, but no one seems to know how to pay for it yet.

There is of course an underlying assumption that my quality of care will remain the same as it is now. I have no facts to indicate whether or not this is true, but it will also affect my decision. I don't want to exchange cost savings for poorer quality healthcare. I'd rather pay more for better care. After all, money isn't the most important thing in the world, right?

 

Yeah, cuz that's how Medicare is going to save money, by making the patient pay huge chunks of the bill themselves

 

Every time an expansion of government into the healthcare system is proposed, there are promises it will lower costs, increase access, and improve quality, etc. 99% of the promises don't come true.

Medicare began in 1965. Proponents projected it would cost $9 billion per year by 1990. But in 1990, the actual cost of Medicare was $67 billion, more than *seven times* the estimated cost.

The moral of the story: don't believe a word anyone says about "Medicare For All". Socialists will say anything to get their legislation passed.

 

It just proves the point that the Dems depend on low informed voters

 

Patients who currently pay the entire bill?

 

Did you read the article I linked to? Bernie's plan is called "Medicare" for all, but it isn't Medicare. Medicare as we know it leaves big gaps that are filled by the insurance companies. Bernie's plan fills those gaps. The article says Bernie's plan would cover prescription drugs, but that the only out-of-pocket expense would be prescription drugs, so it sounds like his plan doesn't completely cover that cost. Perhaps that might be a niche private insurers could fill. It depends on the details.

 

I don't know of anyone currently on Medicare that would opt out for private insurance. Medicare Advantage plans are working well. The government transfers Medicare funds to private insurers like Etna or Humana that then manage the distribution to their their own hospital and provider networks. These oligopolies offer additional member benefits like "Silver Sneakers, Healthcares hHotlines, and more. This looks like the future, but how does one allocated the costs from private plans run by corporations as people gravitate away to government funded plans?

 

No. I won't.

That's the difference between you and me.

 

Higher quality and minimal wait times.

 

Oh yeah...the lie of the year: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ar-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

 

It all depends on which "medicare for all" plan is adopted.

From the actual bill that Kamala Harris sponsored ( co-sponsored by Senators Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Cory Booker (D-NJ), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Mazie Hirono (D-HI), Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Edward Markey (D-MA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Brian Schatz (D-HI), Tom Udall (D-NM), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI).) https://www.harris.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Medicare for All Act of 2019.pdf:

This would allow insurance for additional benefits, but not for anything carried under Medicare for all.

I do agree that every first world country in the world with single payer healthcare has a private option, but that doesn't mean that we will have much of one. The other countries allow opting out of their system, this bill doesn't allow for that, it just allows you (or your employer) to buy extra insurance.

 

Ummmmm. Because I don't want to pay more taxes.