The Political Cow-towing to Israel

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You forgot to mention that only one of the 40+ signatories of Israel's declaration of independence was from the region.
    Like most of the invading Zionist terrorist gangs, they came from far away for "free" land.

    It's indisputable that hundreds of thousands of Palestine's native residents had their land stolen, homes demolished & family members executed before they were driven out decades ago without a whisper of reparations today.
     
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    We could go on and on about this but it all boils down to one simple idea, be very afraid of any group who imagines God is on their side.
     
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    Oh I'm sure Mossad routinely monitors obscure discussion boards???!!!!

    But sure if you really have anything go ahead. If Mossad bashes down your door that will just give credibility to your claims.
     
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    Proof then? Because everything I've read indicates that not nearly as many "Palestinians" lived on that land as live there today. IIRC the bulk of Palestinians used to live in Jordan proper (not the West Bank that used to be part of Jordan) but were forced out when they failed to overthrow the Jordanian government in September 1970 (Black September).
     
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    I have no expectation my claims should be given any credibility. As to routine monitoring of abscure discussion boards have you not encountered software that searches for key terms, how often they’re used, in what context then draws such events to the attention of intelligence staff?
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    I could be wrong but those guys do not fit my idea of a Mossad agent.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one gives a **** as that was 70 years ago
     
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  8. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Did I say they were? This particular group functions in the manner I described, that’s all. Every ‘advanced’ nation plays the same game.
     
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    Just as the blank cheque of the holocaust was overdrawn some time ago.
     
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    The idea that 90% of Americans take the Bible literally is preposterous nonsense.


    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:
     
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    Israel's claim to the land is based on the fairytale from over 2000 years ago
     
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  12. Grau

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    Thank you.
    Like the Nakba, our selectively outraged Zionists are also quick to dismiss the relevance of Israel's deliberate attack on our USS Liberty because it "happened over 50 years ago".
    Meanwhile, the moaning, whining and demands for still more reparations(1) concerning their holocaust rings eternally.

    Where are the $Billions in reparations for Palestine's native residents who were massacred & robbed of all their earthly possessions?


    (1) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800
     
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    It's common knowledge that the majority of Palestine was non Jewish but, for you I'll make an exception & cite what most people already know.

    EXCERPTS
    "Official reports[edit]
    In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:
    Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems."
    CONTINUED(1)


    (1) "Demographic history of Palestine "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
     
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    Nothing better exemplifies that hypocrisy than the disparity of reparations.
    Germany paid & continues to pay countless $ Billions in the name of Jews who lost their homes, land & frequently, lives however Palestine's native residents who lost the same to foreign Zionist terrorist gangs & occupiers have yet to see a dime in reparations from Israel.
    A tragic irony is that deserving holocaust survivors have been swindled by the Jewish Claims Conference so that they, too struggle to make ends meet in wealthy Israel.(2)



    (1) HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2) "Holocaust survivors struggling to make ends meet in Israel"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/19/holocaust-survivor-struggle-money-israel
     
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    Thank you for clarifying the distinction between Liberals and Leftists.

    I support Conservatism that conserves Liberal values like Freedom against Leftist attack. I oppose guns, lack of welfare, White Nationalism.
     
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    Mocking the Holocaust is beyond unethical.

    Holocaust has no parallel in Human History in intent and brutality.

    Aside from Jews, about 16 million Soviet civilians and POWs were killed by Nazis.
     
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    I don't know how you can seriously equate what the Palestinians lost to the Holocaust. The Holocaust was an order of magnitude or three worse for the Jews than being displaced from land that they had no right to in the first place was for the Palestinians.

    And why should Israel pay the Palestinians? A big chunk of the territory they were evicted from was part of Jordan and Egypt. Jordan and Egypt should pay them since it was they who fought and lost the wars to Israel in the first place.
     
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    I didn't mock the holocaust which was only a small part of the much more grisly, murderous & brutal WW 2.

    Secondly, to suggest that the holocaust was somehow unique in comparison to the innumerable greater or equal mass killings only demonstrates a limited, Hollywood based paucity of historical awareness.

    Finally, your selective concern for Jews & Soviet citizens ignores the far greater human loss of innocent life at the hands of 20th century Communist & Allied butchers.




    “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.” (1)

    Prime Minister Winston Churchill


    (1) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/
     
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    you routinely claim that the Holocaust did not happen, millions of Jews were not murdered by the Nazis and their Fascist allies, and the Nazis had no plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe.
     
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    I don't think that you can compare events that occurred during one of mankind's most destructive World Wars to the invasion of Palestine by foreign Zionist terrorist gangs and militant Jewish colonists.

    To suggest that Palestine's Christians and Muslims had no right to land they had inhabited since the time of the Canaanites is simply absurd.
    I already cited a credible source that states that as of 1920, 4/5 of Palestine's population was Muslim(1)

    You asked: "And why should Israel pay the Palestinians?" and the answer is simple. Like most of Germany's Jews, Palestinians were executed en masse and had their homes and all earthly possessions stolen.

    Subsequently, Germany not only paid untold $ Billions to a fraudulent Holocaust Claims Commission but built virtually all of Israel's early infrastructure.
    In reality, it was the industrious Germans who "...made the deserts bloom".(2)

    Now it's long past time for Israel to pay reparations on the homes & land they stole along with the massacres they perpetrated during & subsequent to the Nakba.



    (1) Demographic history of Palestine (region)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
    EXCERPT "Official reports[edit]
    In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

    There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems."CONTINUED


    (2) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.
     
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    Link to an unbiased source (like "The Economist") or it didn't happen.
     
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    I have never claimed that the holocaust didn't happen but you continue to make that false accusation.

    This thread is about US political subservience to Israel & its lobbies.

    You are welcome to continue discussing the holocaust by answering the 3 simple questions I posted (Post # 524) at the appropriate thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21
     
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    this thread is not about the Holocaust
     
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    The ruthlessness of Zionist Terrorist gangs in Palestine, too, is common knowledge but, again, for you, I'll make an exception:

    "A 'Catastrophe' That Defines Palestinian Identity"
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...g-of-nakba-israel-palestine-1948-gaza/560294/
    EXCERPT "But in April 1948, the Jewish forces launched a more concerted campaign of massacre and forced displacement, including the notorious Deir Yassin massacre of about 100 Palestinians on April 9. This spread panic among Palestinians, encouraging them to flee.

    When terror didn’t do the trick, Palestinians were forced out by Jewish militias. Early April saw the launch of the “Plan Dalet” military campaign, which sought, in part, the ethnic cleansing of most or all of the Arab inhabitants from areas claimed for a Jewish state.CONTINUED
     
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    The Arabs committed massacres of Jews during the 1948 War.

    and ethnic cleansing of Jews.

    does that bother you as well?
     
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