Republican's Latest Monumental Faux Pas

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  1. Daniel Light

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    Simple. They would have written anti-abortion language into the Constitution if they felt it should be illegal. There would have at least been some recorded discussion about it. There are plenty of writings on the issues discussed - slavery, trade, war powers, Presidential powers ... absolutely nothing about abortion. Jefferson, Adams - no condemnation of abortion in all their writings - and they wrote on numerous issues.
     
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  2. Josephwalker

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    And for every blog on every subject there's a blog saying just the opposite
    I do find it amusing that liberals that trash the founding fathers because they condoned slavery suddenly act as though their condoning abortion gives abortion validity today. Guess you want slavery back to huh?

    Abortion Part I: The Founders' Views

    "In 2015, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, recited a common refrain of the pro-abortion activists: "We do not support rolling back the protection that the constitutional right to make your own reproductive choices established in Roe vs. Wade has given to women."

    It should be noted that the United States Constitution actually says nothing about abortion specifically. And while it is true that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of legalized abortion in 1973, the high court cannot write constitutional amendments, meaning women's reproductive rights are still not mentioned in the Constitution. However, it would seem that the unborn babies would qualify as our posterity, and thus, deserve a chance for life and liberty.

    While there is no specific language in the Constitution regarding abortion, the Founders did leave behind their beliefs on the topic. For that insight, we turn to author and historian David Barton.



    After America separated from Great Britain and the Founding Fathers made their own brand-new and unique government, they still preserved and protected the legal position against abortion. This fact is made clear by founding father James Wilson. James Wilson was one of only six Founders who signed both the declaration and the Constitution. He was the second most active member at the Constitutional Convention, and he was placed as an original justice on the US Supreme Court by President George Washington.



    Wilson began America's first organized legal training, and he authored our first legal textbook for students in which he told law students, quote, with consistency, beautiful, and undeviating, human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplations of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb by the law that life is protected, end quote.



    American law was clear. As soon as it was known that there was life in the womb, at that point, that life was protected by law for the purpose of government was to protect all unalienable rights, including that of life. In the Founders' day, they recognized that there was a right to life in the womb, so soon as James Wilson said, quote, the infant is first able to stir. That is, when movement can be felt inside and, thus, they knew for sure that there was indeed life within. But with today's technology, it is now possible to know with a certainty that life is within the womb for only a few days after conception.



    Regardless, whenever it is known that life was within, according to the documents penned by our Founding Fathers, at that point, unborn life was to be protected under the law."
     
  3. Josephwalker

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    And another leftist that says no slavery laws makes our founding fathers irrelevant embracing them for no abortion laws. Guess you're ok with slavery too based on that.
     
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    WTF? The left in the blue states are passing gun legislation all the time.
     
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    Democrats certainly did, why else would they create the Klan. They have a long history of being on the wrong side of justice and equality, just like their Jim Crow laws...
     
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    I NEVER trashed the Founding Fathers for having slaves so take your crap and put it back from where you got it.

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..







     
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    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..
     
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    REGULATING firearm possession is NOT "taking away gun rights".

    Either you do NOT understand the STARK DIFFERENCE between REGULATING rights and DENIAL of rights or you are just using disingenuously inflammatory terminology.
     
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    Southern racists created the Klan and have a long history of being on the wrong side of justice and equality. Nowadays those Southern racists support GOP candidates.
     
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    Well at least you're consistent. You feel the founding fathers views on both abortion and slavery are grounds to argue for both now. Can't use one example without embracing the other.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I NEVER trashed the Founding Fathers for having slaves so take your crap and put it back from where you got it.

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..



    Care to address the post you quoted???? Without using your imagination??
     
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    You used what you consider to be the founding fathers acceptance of abortion to valididate your current day view of abortion so it's only reasonable to assume you think the founding fathers acceptance of slavery validates that institution in modern times. It's your reasoning not mine.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I NEVER trashed the Founding Fathers for having slaves so take your crap and put it back from where you got it.

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..



    Care to address the post you quoted???? Without using your imagination??



    No, that wasn't me and the argument was NOT meant to "validate my current day view of abortion".

    It was a statement of fact......an attempt to show the uneducated that abortion was not always against the law and what the founding fathers thought of it.







    No, it's your erroneous "reasoning"...…..

    You are trying desperately tie the two issues together and the only way they relate is that slavery is taking away a person's right to their own body which is EXACTLY what banning abortion does.
     
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    Sorry but if you use what you consider to be the founding fathers views on abortion to validate your views on abortion you have to take the whole package and accept the fact that the founding fathers tolerated slavery just as they did abortion. So which is it? Do the founding fathers personal beliefs on issues justify your opinion today or not? Can't be both.

    It's a yes or no question.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I NEVER trashed the Founding Fathers for having slaves so take your crap and put it back from where you got it.

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..



    Care to address the post you quoted???? Without using your imagination??





    No, that wasn't me and the argument was NOT meant to "validate my current day view of abortion".

    It was a statement of fact......an attempt to show the uneducated that abortion was not always against the law and what the founding fathers thought of it.



    No, it's your erroneous "reasoning"...…..

    You are trying desperately tie the two issues together and the only way they relate is that slavery is taking away a person's right to their own body which is EXACTLY what banning abortion does.





    Why? Because YOU say so? :roflol::roll::roflol::roflol:
     
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    As I figured you would refuse to answer my simple yes or no question.
     
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    As I KNEW you could NOT address my post.

    BTW, I don't take commands from you....
     
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    Wrong!

    The Founding Fathers INCLUDED a clause in the original Constitution that would allow for the outlawing of slavery.

    They also included an amendment in the BOR that would PROTECT abortion, voting and gay marriage rights amongst others.
     
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    Read the following...it's educational.... but don't let that stop ya.:)





    Then we can go back to the point you keep ducking:


    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..
     
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    Interesting but it would be more interesting if you included the "clause" you speak of.
    The only two I'm aware of are the enumeration clause where slaves were counted as three fifths of a person and the fugitive slave clause which forces states to extradite escaped slaves back to their original state.
     
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    LOL at the founding fathers passing an amendment.:roll:

    It is refreshing though to see leftist in here that generally trash our founding fathers suddenly flock to their defense. Gotta love that.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Read the following...it's educational.... but don't let that stop ya.:)







    Then we can go back to the point you keep ducking:


    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..




    Your "misinterpretation" of comments in on you, not any "leftists.


    And I gotta love the FACT that you could not refute or even address this:

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..
     
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    Sorry but you used the fact that abortion is not outlawed in the constitution to justify your views on it today. I merely pointed out that slavery isn't outlawed in the constitution either. Deal with it.
     
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    In essence the Founding Fathers put an EXPIRY DATE on slavery being allowed to continue. Only twenty years were allowed prior to Congress being enabled to Constitutionally prohibit slavery.
     
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    And I gotta love the FACT that you could not refute or even address this:

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..

    :) Can't deal with it?? :)
     
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