Speaking of wages, do waitresses get paid a fair wage?

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  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    The individual tips may not be large, but there are more of them. Moving the customer through, and I know I usually drop a dollar even if the coffee was only $1.50.

    The high priced places, the individual tips are higher, but fewer of them, as higher end places people tend to linger. And, you run the higher chance of not getting a good percentage, regardless of the bill amount. The party bill maybe a couple hundred, but they tend to skinflint on the tips.
     
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    Minimum wage for wait staff is just over $2/hr...enough to cover tax.

    When you stiff a wait person you are taking food of THEIR table because the price of your meal was recorded and they pay tax on that as IF they got 15% from you
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    Some physically intensive jobs, require no brain input, and some non-physical jobs require high levels of brain input.

    Neither one is more important than the other, and both can drain you, but in different ways.

    Your use of the word 'broad' paints a rather unpleasant picture of you.
     
  4. ECA

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    So no one's forcing you to pay those percentages, correct? You can just ignore them and pay what you want, right? If you're cheap and want to pay nothing then by all means do so. I would suggest not frequenting the same restaurant as your food will be messed with.
    Who's laying blame? You know the system. You know in US restaurants tipping is the social norm. If you're too cheap to tip, don't go to restaurants. Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp?
     
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    It depends on why the server was 'stiffed'. If they did a lousy job with attitude, they get what they earned.
     
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    thankfully, there are some establishments that have a 'no tip' policy, they pay proper wages and their staff are excellent at what they do, yep, the menu prices reflect that. it is the better way...

    @rcfoolinca288 ... don't waste your time with explanations, they ain't interested ;)
     
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    A waiter would have to REALLY screw up to justify not paying them at all.

    Mediocre service should get at least 10%. Anything less and you are literally stealing from them
     
  8. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet you don't fault the owners?? Now that is some unreasonable thinking right there.
     
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    As to 'taxed as if they got 15%, no, it isn't automatic on every dime. If there was no tip, they don't have to pay taxes... record keeping behooves them.
     
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    You are incorrect. I've had excellent service, and I've had bad service. A tip, aka, gratuity is NOT REQUIRED, it is an acknowledgement of good service. If the server wants a tip, they will provide the service that gets them the tip.
     
  11. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What so hard to grasp the fact that the cheap ass owners need to PAY THEIR STAFF and NOT ME?
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah well...I'm stubborn that way. But yeah these conversations always end the same...I'm the cheap ass for giving little tips yet the owners that ripped off his employees get the kids gloves treatment.
     
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    Hahaha...you do realize you're paying the staff no matter what the system is, right?
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not directly like now do I?
     
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    Hahaha...so you're ok paying them, you just don't want to have to hand them the money is that it? I'm sure that makes some kind of sense to you.
     
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    I don't pay a fake made up percent now do I. Funny you can't see the difference.
     
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    My daughter waited tables at a local restaurant in SOCal while she was a senior in high school. She said Mexicans were the worst at leaving a tip. The owner made it a policy that if it was a party of 3 or more, 15% gratuity was automatically added to the bill. She said sometimes they would argue and ask for the bill to be broken up to try and get out of paying. My guess is if you work in a heavy Mexican populated area, tips are going to be scarce.
     
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    What does it matter? At the end of the day, in either system YOU are paying their salary.
     
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    Wait staff workers are in the service sector and as far as I know restaurant workers are the only service workers who are not paid in full by the employers. Instead the employer gets to advertise lower prices by having the customer pay 10-80% of the wait staff wages. The part in which customers decide how much they wish to 'tip' is equally stupid! Not long ago 'tipping' was no big deal but today customers are paying 10% sales tax plus 15-20% gratuity, 25-30% total, so two people eating/drinking $60 are also paying another $15-$18...$78 total. So why is it so spooky for a restaurant in this example to simply charge $78 for the food/drink and have no gratuity? From a customer perspective, it makes no difference to me as long as the total is $78.

    IMO this is a good example of things we do which are basically stupid and never question why we do them...
     
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    I'm pretty sure the very definition of professional is a person who gets bribed, or paid to do a job....so yea.

    Most professionals who are tricked into working for free tend to be spiteful, Iv ripped out work done for non payment. Material is expensive, and I dont think waitress have the ability to place liens....
     
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    Anybody willing to do a job at a certain wage is being paid a fair wage.
     
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    We all know, here in the US, the system we have regarding restaurants is to tip. We all know this going into any restaurant.
    Therefore the cheap pr**ks of the world have a few options
    1) Not tip, however, I would recommend not going to same place with any frequency
    2) Don’t go out to eat at restaurants
    3) Stop being a cheap pr**k and pay the freakin tip.
     
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    I'm guessing you don't travel much, so you probably have nothing to compare it with. I've played pool with my own ball racker, gone to restaurants where each person had their own server standing behind them at all times, had cigarettes lit and beers kept to the brim after every sip, had bicycles strapped to a tuk tuk during a sudden heavy rain, and had to wait 30 minutes between courses while listening to the kitchen staff yell at each other.

    There's a certain over-the-top quality to service in the states that is jarring in its lack of subtlety. We Americans generally appreciate the jibber jabber and introductions and fake smiles that epitomizes "good" American service. It's all designed to get the customer digging deep to try and not look like he's a cheap bastard.

    I'm proud to be a cheap bastard! I don't want to know your name, I don't want to look at your legs or stare down your shirt, I don't want to do math, and I don't want to feel pressured to leave something for the waitress!

    Perhaps one of these days, you'll be leaving some restaurant, and realize that you were able to eat in peace without having your conversation interrupted, have no idea or remembrance of who the server was, but for some reason, there was never an empty plate cluttering up the table or a need to request something. Then you'll realize what great service actually is. It requires a subtlety that Americans just don't do very well.
     
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    Apparently math is hard for some people. What a joke.
     
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    Any restaurant I go to that has mandatory gratuity I make them remove it from my bill. The gratuity I pay is based on service I receive. I will almost always leave a tip even if my service isn’t great, but I refuse to pay mandatory gratuities. If you as the owner are worried about what your staff makes, them either train them properly or pay them yourself. You can’t force me to.
     

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