Am I responsible for the actions of those in the past?

How did those Harvard and Yale and Princeton graduates of the past do it? We’re they unequal?
I will give the analogy again When you see a race and some people are on the outside lanes they are given a head start to catch up.Giving someone a Headstart because they have been held back is not unequal

 

Was this how you defined the word "extremist" to your students?

 

Yes. They never had to compete with black people or women. They absolutely are not equal to people that do.

No they aren't given a head start, they run the same exact distance. The inner Lane on the track is shorter than the outer Lane.

 

No...but I’m sure they would get the sarcasm

 

Actually the people in the outer lane do get a Headstart because they have a handicap. It wouldn’t be fair if the people on the inside started at the same time because they do not run the exact distance.
My question to you is do you see people who graduated from Harvard and Yale and Princeton a generation ago as inferior? Something else you don’t understand is like the race they may get a Headstart but they have to compete throughout the race the same way somebody who might get an advantage in admission has to get the same grade as everyone else to pass

 

Who said racism/bigotry disappeared? And why on earth would you ever make the assumption that it would, just because institutional discrimination ended?

And I'm saying Progressives are NOT for equality .. not at all.

 

I don't agree with bigots as it relates to bigotry.

Here is a fair deal , we pass reparations . a one time payment for every person who can verify that their ancestors came to this country before 1974.
Then when those reparations fail to create a better long term situatuon for thoes who receive they are to be payed back in the same single payment and we never talk about reparations again.
That not an extreme position at all. Its not racist it's not bigoted. It's common sense with predictable results. Giving people money does not lift people out of poverty.

 

No idea. But my white Prog friends keep telling me that POC are helpless. As though that's a perfectly reasonable thing to think or say.

 

no they don't they run the same distance. It's just the outer track is longer than the inner track. There's no handicap.

yes they do. Once again the inner track is shorter than the outer track.

for the second time in this thread tonight yes.

That answer will never change. they didn't have to compete with black people are women that could have been smarter than them.

Again in a race around a circular or oval track nobody gets a head start they run the same distance. It's just the inner Lane is shorter than the outer Lane.

 

Good at least you are aware that we have racism and bigotry and with Trump as president it has risen in ways it never has before
And to say progressives are not for equality is ridiculous.Who do you think fights for civil rights? I guess all those marchers in Charlottesville voted for Hillary. No it is conservatives who want to go back to the good all days of sexism and racism. It is conservatives who scream that progressives are the racist....they just project their own feelings

 

You keep repeating the same thing you’re telling me that the inner lane is shorter than the outer lane but yet you don’t realize that that running in the outer lane they have a handicap because they have more to run. That’s why they start a few feet ahead ...to compensate for the handicap.
You can keep repeating that you see men who graduated from Harvard and Yale as inferior but yet I have never heard anyone say that about the men who graduated.I think you are just giving lip service. The answer is they were still brilliant men the same way the blacks and women are brilliant today. YouDon’t realize that you are saying that blacks and women who are in Harvard and Yale and Princeton are somehow not smart...They are just as smart as the man who went to Harvard and Yale and Princeton a generation ago. Do you really believe that a few points on an SAT test means you are smarter? We also need diversity

 

The outside track does not have a head start and it does not have a handicap. No matter how many times you tell me it does it never will.

I never said anything I didn't type that means I never essentially said anything and I never implied anything.

What is diversity?

 

You're no Jon Stewart.

 

Sure they do! Lol

Didn’t you say that people on the inside lane have less to travel.? Here this explains it. Maybe you can complain about the outside lane getting a head start
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/physics-olympic-track/

 

And you’re not his audience....his sarcasm is too sophisticated

 

no I repeatedly said they have the same distance to travel.

Once again the outside Lane doesn't get a head start.

You need to read the title of your link.

 

Aren't we talking about your crazy comment about extremism, the one you are trying to pretend was meant to be sarcasm?

 

I can’t argue with you when you believe the inside lane is the same distance as the outside lane. And you think it’s fair.
https://www.quora.com/Why-in-a-race-track-are-the-athletes-given-different-starting-positions

 

Never said that you're arguing with an imaginary person.

I think I repeatedly said the outside track is longer.

If you're not going to read what I post should I bother continuing to post?

 

1) Yes. Sadly the white racist now hides behind a 'mask of compassion'. We had almost left it all behind, but Obama insisted on flogging the dead horse, and this is the result.

2) If Progressives were actually for equality (particularly racial equality), they would be for treating everyone equally, in all spheres, all the time, no exceptions. They don't do this though, do they. They HATE all things which involve and produce equality. They hate the merit system in education (the most equitable system of all), they hate the merit system in employment and industry (preferring quotas etc), they hate the merit system in immigration (wherein the most competent and committed get in first). They hate the merit system in welfare and social services. They hate any and all non-identity-based equalisers. Ergo, they hate equality.

 

No, Obama didn’t flog the dead horse.....he was black. That’s the reason.we saw that at rallies l
Why do you say we hate the merit system? Are you saying blacks and women who have been denied access to opportunities for hundreds of years are stupid? Are you saying that Harvard accepts unqualified students merely because of their race or gender? Let me just give you an example of history. The best schools hated the merit system because they only allowed white males. They hated the merit system in employment and industry because they dEnied women and minorities access They hated the merit system in immigration, yep, they let them unqualified Jews and look at how they contributed nothing to science and the arts etc (sarcasm alert)
Sounds like conservatives want to deny the handicap minorities and women suffered throughout history and deny that you don’t just catch up after a white patriarchy has been set up for hundreds of years.

 

1) Obama is as white as he is black.

2) It's 2019. Any attempt to ride on historical coat tails is an erosion of equality. Do you want equality? Or do you want eternal excuses for denial of equality?

 

No Obama is seen as a black man. When he’s out on the street is just another black guy
You think in one generation white makes will see women and blacks as equals?It takes a couple of generations to get rid of bigotry. If you notice young people are much more tolerant

 

These private citizen demons (white males) can think whatever they want. Nothing to do with institutional merit-based systems and laws. Which is all that matters, and what is under discussion.

And I don't care what others think of Obama .. I regard him as white. I'm mocking, obviously. He is neither black nor white, and should never have regarded himself as either one, nor pretended to be a champion to one group more than the other. He should have reminded those who insisted he was black that he was American, not a skin colour. He is the reason you have identarian extremism in America today.

 

I cant believe this country is discussing reparations. It would be too complicated and over the years we have passed legislation to address the inequality. Maybe if it was directed to specifically help the lowest income communities, but anything else is just plain stupid.
I think we should always help those who were denied the same rights but reparations to individuals is way past its time.