Gay Hell: the Michigan town renamed to troll Donald Trump

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  1. Pants

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    There is a lot going on in NY, in recent days, to ban laws like these. The other big issue is that of surrogacy - which would impact both hetero couples and the LGBTQ community.

    The gay and trans “panic” defense is a legal strategy which asks a jury to find that a victim’s sexual orientation or gender identity is to blame for the defendant’s violent reaction, including murder. It is not a free standing defense to criminal liability, but rather a legal tactic which is used to bolster other defenses. When the defense is employed, the perpetrator claims that their victim’s sexual orientation or gender identity not only explains – but excuses – their loss of self-control and subsequent assault. By fully or partially acquitting the perpetrators of crimes against LGBTQ+ victims, these defenses imply that LGBTQ+ lives are worth less than others.

    One of the most recognized cases that employed the gay “panic” defense was that of Matthew Shepard. In 1998, Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old college student, was beaten to death by two men. The men attempted to use the gay “panic” defense to excuse their actions. Despite widespread public protest, the defense is still being used today.

    https://lgbtbar.org/programs/advocacy/gay-trans-panic-defense/
     
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    One would think, but sadly, there are still groups that are discriminated against because of their ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation.

    Why do you think 'protected class' came into being?
     
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    Well, if your only standards for 'equality' is the penalty for murder, I can see where you might have some confusion.
     
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    So how did that Mathew Shepard thing work out for them?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very few people have it in their DNA. It proliferates today because of a society that has made it acceptable, and turned it into an alternative life style.
     
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    We we're discussing the effectiveness of the campaign, only whether it implied that only LGBT people deserved equality or not.
     
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    It's the standard I'd use for the penalty of murder, or any other violence really. What did you want to talk about besides murder.
     
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    Yeah, I can agree with that.
     
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    They didn't use that defense. The girlfriend of one of them offered it, then recanted.
     
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    The way this was presented was as a stand alone defense and it is not. That it is allowed to be part of a defense argument doesn't show that it is honored by a jury, quite the opposite actually, it's a stupid argument.
     
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    I have a Gay son and, trust me here, at no time in his life did he ever make the conscious decision to become Gay. I had a sense of where he was heading by the time he was four or five and my job, from then on, was for him to lead a normal happy life and to let him know, without equivocation, that this was his world to live in as much as anyone else's. He would be judged on his character.

    It is not up to us to decide who is 'normal' and who isn't. We are all God's creatures and, to continue the Biblical reference, we must do unto others as we would have done unto us. This explains why I have no use at all for Islam, and little for its followers.

    I'm grateful to all those who have made it possible, those who have suffered in the past, for Gays in the democracies to now largely live their lives without fear.
     
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    at different times of the year for special occasions, and to promote equal rights in other countries
     
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    In some countries people get killed for being white.
    Exclusive right for LGBT flag does not sound like asking for equal right.
    Since when special treatment become an equal?
     
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    Unlike stupid US and EU Israel does not provide special rights for homosexuals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel
    Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country...
     
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    You said that, man! Among other that are not treated equally, ONLY homosexual flag should deserve an honor.
     
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    It isn't though, it's just the only one that gets lots of loud complaints. The other kinds of campaign might not have actual flags but they do get similar prominence from embassies. I gave an example of an International Women's Day banner on an embassy building in Turkey (post #39) and that was just the first example I found when I searched.
     
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    You're right - asking for exclusive rights for an LGBT flag doesn't sound like equal rights. But my posts weren't discussing the flag, specifically. But on the subject, I wonder if the flag in question was to honor breast cancer awareness month - would it be getting the same criticism?
     
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    Elijah Daniel is hurting really, bad, on the inside of his soul.

    And he is disguising the hurt, behind the colossal powers gained by the LGBT movement so far. This is where it gets peculiar, with the Gay Pride Movement. Is this embassies flying a flag, about equality, or is it about something else? man0man I hope he doesn't do something violent one day.

    He could have used that money and time and resources, more efficiently. He could have used those things to seduce his targeted audience with, love & kindness, instead of this his choice to kill that audience with his mockery and his exaggerations.
     
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    What would a flag achieve?
     
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    This is fake news. It hasn't been renamed at all. I believe it was attempted though, but ages ago. It's an old story apparently. For some reason, some idiot resurrected it.
     
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    Look up the word "symbolic". It's essentially the same purpose as the Stars and Stripes the embassies put up. :cool:
     
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    I got news for you. Nobody even cares anymore about people's sexual preferences. Stop making a big deal. We don't need a flag to show we are proud of getting boners from the opposite sex so why do they need a flag to show they get boners from the same sex.
    This is not what government should be spending time on. Get over yourselves gay people. We know you are proud and we are happy for you and appreciate you and your contributions. Now stop ****ing complaining!
     
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    That is hilarious.

    I am planning on visiting Ann Arbor over the weekend, maybe I will swing by there.:salute:
     
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    List all the special treatments you believe homosexuals want
     
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