War with Iran would be an act of treason!

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Normally your comments are insightful & sensible but I'm afraid you're way off the mark on this one.

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    If your generalizations about the Muslims were true, I would not be typing this post today since I spent 10 - 11 months walking & hitch-hiking throughout the Islamic Mid East including Iran and experienced only kindness & generosity from my many Muslim hosts.

    The innumerable Muslims who fed me, gave me shelter & spent their days showing me local archeological wonders do not hate non Muslims. They do, however, strongly resent the pro Israel Colonial Powers that come from afar and cause them such misery but it was my experience that they were able to distinguish between Western wanderers and the crimes & betrayals committed by Western governments.

    Regrettably, our pro Israel MSM has succeeded in fomenting a solid hatred, fear & distrust of 1.8 billion people they have never met who live in lands they've never seen.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Feel free to ask away but I'm afraid that the Iranians are a little strapped for cash at the moment.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There was no Iran treaty but you know that don't you.
     
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  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, this event caused that:

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    and this:

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    Silly boy we were pretty much doing this on our own anyway Europe lacks the capability to deploy much more than a battalion any where other than Europe. And the Iran deal was little more than a fig leaf to paper over European weakness.
     
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    Yep, it was never finalized.

    Trump has his ducks in a row.

    If we go to war, Saudi, Israel, and Iraq would likely be eager to smack Iran as well.
     
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    Not Iraq... They're controlled by the shia now.
     
  8. Grau

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  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    anti-Semitism means "hatred of Jews".

    its a Neologism.

    just how a Lesbian is a woman who is attracted to other women, not someone from Lesbos.

    get used to it!!!! now get back to the thread.
     
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    The trick seems to be to present themselves as kind and loving- indeed I can't count the number of times I've heard muslims say Islam is a religion of love.
    What you say is only your facade; it is what you do that makes you who you are. If you are nice up front while you are planning a suicide bombing, I don't give you credit for being nice- it only adds to your deceitful nature. I am aware that there are all kinds of people within every group; certainly there were Germans who abhorred the nazis among them. But I've seen too many stories of "honor killings", documentations of women being considered half-people, beating, stoneings and a variety of primitive murders being carried out by the powers that run Islam to ever ignore what the muslim world has proven it is capable of. Now if that didn't come from the top- such as the bounty on Rushdie which has been supported over 30 years by succeeding Iran Aytollahs- things might be different. But the problem isn't a few radical groups, the people calling the shots are in charge of the religion as well as the nation and are evil to the core. Granted, no doubt many of the ordinary muslims are kind people.... certainly a lot of them want to come here to get away from their homeland. Other nations have tried many times to negotiate peace, but even between themselves, their various sects- these have proven to be brutal, ruthless people. They are not really interested in peace with anybody- I believe that is lip service, nothing more.Never followed by action, just words and blame for others.

    To say it's Israels fault..... is to speak the embedded hate of Islam as if it were a plea for peace. If and when the middle eastern nations ever decide to seek peace without the destruction of Israel, it would be easy to do- but there's not a snowballs's chance of it, because the core Islam hate of things not muslim sees Israel as the gateway to it's becoming the master of the earth. And they do see that as their rightful place- that too is in the book they take as the absolute command of their "god".

    Yes, my comments are a generalization- which only means that all muslims are not in the same basket. However, it does mean that the people who might like to have their nation be a peaceful one are not the ones calling the shots. IF they can't change their country to reflect their values, and can't get out- they have a problem. You may be aware that the penalty for leaving the Islamic religion- is death. Nice people? Only when it suits their purpose.
     
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    that was Iran's own money, you know that right... they bought weapons from us and we never delivered, so we put their money in an account to give back to them at a later date

    when is Trump gonna make this better deal?

    Trump is an idiot, he should of left the deal and tried to make a side deal to address addl issues, now he has to get everything in the old deal plus more, he is starting from scratch...
     
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    But the "old deal" sucked. One can't make any kind of a rational deal until they are able to recognize what they are dealing with. Obama lacked that capacity.
    It's a great thing to act honorably- and it works well between honorable people. But when the opposing side has no real intention of acting honorably, the rules change, and if you fail to recognize that, you are a fool. Obama was.
     
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    better then Trump's deal
     
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    Correction... The US should have gone to war back in 1979 when the Shah was overthrown, American hostages were seized, and American assets were nationalized. All of our problems in the Middle East stem from Jimmy Carter's feckless administration.
     
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    A foot-note to the above-
    While every belief has it's radicals who pick and choose the parts of their holy book to justify themselves, and every holy book has some parts that can be distorted as justification for evil- Islam is uniquely different than all other religions- that is, if one is willing to call it a religion.

    In Christian and other religions, it is the radicals that are recognized and branded as the outcasts, and the normal people control the organizations
    In Islam, the normal people are recognized and branded as the outcasts, and the radicals control the organization.
     

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