How to take on Iran

It just wouldn't be that easy, buddy. There are two reasons for this: It would be necessary to invade Iran, flat-out, to negate their threat to Hormuz. Second, it would spark a general war throughout the Middle East, with highly mobilized groups like Hezbollah, the Syrian Army, and the Iraqi Army, not to mention a number of militias in Iraq and Syria, marching on Israel, Kuwait, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.

They would have to worry about only two other powers intervening: Turkey and Egypt. I suspect that in both cases Syria, with Russian and Chinese diplomatic assistance, could convince these two nations to stay out of the war, and to quiet the guns in northern Syria.

And for what? Some supposed Iranian attacks on non-American tankers?

I thought Hillary was supposed to be the one to "drag us into WWIII?"

 

This is not Iraq. One major difference: I would not wish for boots on the ground here. And I am certain that neither President Trump, nor even his most hawkish advisors, would wish for that, either.

As for Israel, it is a very good bet that if we do not destroy Iran's capabilities in the nuclear area--a tangential issue--then Israel will do so. This tiny country will simply not allow a second Holocaust--whatever it might require in order to stop it.

And you can safely bet that the US will back Israel here--even if Russia and/or China should do just the opposite.

 

I agree with your (apparent) belief that the US should not be a part of the United Nations. (In the 1960s, there was a bumper sticker that read, "Get the UN out of the US, and get the US out of the UN." I agree completely.)

Nonetheless, all of your questions--including even this one--amount to the fallacy of the complex question. (A good example of it: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?")

 

I did not imply that the US should 'not be a part of the UN'?
I asked 'why' we have the UN? The UN is in place to help create some world order and to prevent 'rogue' nations like the US from doing stupid things. I 100% agree with having the UN and having world order!!

 

So, it is not Iran, but the US, which you consider a "'rogue' nation."

Do I have that about right?

(By the way, I really do not know just how the UN might enforce any sanctions against the US. Does it have a large army?)

 

... apologize to everyone and go back 2 Obama era status.... Fire Bolton and pompeo. Absolute idiots.

 

Well...in many instances the US is a rogue nation.

The UN with it's coalition of members decides what actions to take and how to enforce them.

A 'united' group of nations is better than a gaggle of rogue nations.

Some form of world order is better than no order.

 

This sounds very much like a plea for globalism (which, essentially, is the idea that a collection of nations--many of them haters of the US and the West in general--is much more likely to get it right than the US or the West in general is).

Please do not count me among the cult of globalist thinkers.

 

Another good example of the US being a rogue nation...thanks!

The US is too arrogant to respect world order, world laws...

 

If you truly see it as "arrogan[ce]" to believe strongly in national sovereignty (as opposed to some sort of one-worldism)--and further, if you see that as an example of being "rogue"--then please do not let me deter you from thinking as you wish...

 

How many sources do you want in one post. At least I provide sources. I haven't seen you provide any sources for what you are saying.

 

Recently, the Iranians shot down a very expensive piece of American military equipment, causing a very serious military crisis that could lead to a disastrous war with Iran and her proxies throughout the Middle East. However, Trump backed down and used economic sanctions in retaliation. Trump wants to talk to the Iranians, but the Iranians do not want to talk to him.

Iran has threatened to shoot down any American surveillance aircraft spying on their military installations, and so the crisis continues.

Throughout all of this, we now have a new acting defense secretary. He is former army secretary, Mark Esper, and his first day was yesterday!

Prior to that we had another acting defense secretary, Patrick Shanahan. He quit Friday because it was revealed he and his son beat up Shanahan's estranged wife, the son beating up the woman with a baseball bat.

We have not had a qualified defense secretary for six months. Shanahan was a former accountant executive for Boeing, a bean counter. However, he was one of Trump's reliable sycophants.

The last qualified defense secretary was Marine General James Mattis. He quit six months ago when Trump ordered American troops out of Syria, thereby turning the region over to the murderous dictator, Bashar Al-Assad, and the Russian government. The Russians have a naval base at Tartus.

Considering this a uniquely stupid and self-destructive idea, Mattis quit. In six months he has not been replaced.

Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed, and Trump was forced to rescind the order.

That seems to happen a lot with Trump.

 

I have no idea what that refers to and I am too lazy to go back and check.

 

In the wake of Sarah Sanders and Patrick Shanahan quitting in the past two weeks, now Acting Customs and Border Protection Commissioner John Sanders (no relation) is quitting. He will be replaced by Mark Morgan, the acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as his new border chief, replacing the current acting commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Matt Albence, the deputy director of ICE who led the agency before Morgan’s arrival, will resume once more as ICE acting director.

Did everyone follow all that. Isn't this fun?

Occasionally, some of Trump's fans claim I hate Trump. It is their pathetic excuse for being unable to defend their hero in the face of all of his boneheaded mistakes. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

The Trump administration is great entertainment.

 

Trump began the provocation toward war with Iran a year ago when the removed the U.S. from the JCPOA and hit Iran hard with economic sanctions.

Now it seems the lunatics are running the asylum.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said that the United States is "considering a full range of options" regarding rising tensions with Iran, including military options, but emphasized that Trump has said that he does not want to go to war.

Pompeo hasn't learned yet? Americans do not trust anything Trump says. He has lied to us too many times. After all, he was the one who said, “No, it’s not what I meant. It’s what I said."

Pompeo offered a set of actions that could restore deterrence.

Now we are getting to what Trump really wants. "Restore deterrence" is code for trying to force Iran to do what Trump wants them to do. And, if they don't do what Trump wants them to do? Trump is "considering a full range of options, including military options" and regime change.

Here is the lunacy. “We’re not going to have Iran have a nuclear weapon,” Trump told reporters.

We already had an agreement with Iran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Trump trashed it!!!

Is Trump bipolar? Did he forget that he removed the U.S. from the agreement? Does he think Americans forgot that part? Is he nuts?

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani says the White House is "suffering from mental disability" and behaving as "no sane person," in the wake of new sanctions imposed by Trump earlier this week which an Iranian spokesman said have closed the "channel of diplomacy forever."

Hmmm, interesting.

 

You are the one making unproven assertions - When you have no hard evidence to back up your claims - and someone doubts those claims - asking someone to prove your claim false is not proof of claim.

It would help if the Pentagon and our intelligence agencies were not spewers of propaganda and false narratives - and creators of false flags.
Since this is not the case - you are going to have to come up with something more than "The Pentagon said so".

 

The "Moderate Rebel lie" - lies about civilian casualties - lies about the white helmets - lies about chemical weapons.
The staged rescue of Jessica Lynch
The lies about Pat Tillman

And this is just getting started.

 

The pat tillman thing was really despicable. Getting killed by friendly fire was bad enough. But used as a prop to support war is unconscionable.

 

Why should we do this. that is beyond stupid. let each country that buys that oil send thier own Navy. I have no idea why we should get involved over there. Let SA, Kuwait and whoever build a pipeline and bypass the straight.
We started wars that have killed almost 500,000 people in the mideast in the last 20 years. We don't belong there,
let them live thier own lives the way they see fit.

If they actually attack a US flagged vessel, then appropriate military response should be taken.

 

USA Today reports, "The man responsible for handling the diplomatic formalities and nuances of presidential meetings with foreign leaders is stepping down – and will not go with President Donald Trump to the G-20 summit in Japan – amid a probe into allegations that he harassed and intimidated staff, according to multiple media reports.

"Sean Lawler, who holds the rank of ambassador within the State Department, has been Trump's chief of protocol since December 2017. He was suspended indefinitely pending an investigation into his alleged harassment and discrimination of staff"

They are leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship.

 

Yes it is arrogance...when the USA goes it alone instead of building coalitions...

 

I spoke of "national sovereignty," whereas you spoke of "building coalitions."

I believe that is known as the fallacy of moving the goalposts"...

 

Being a sovereign nation has nothing to do with being a rogue nation. The US is arrogant and will endure some pain because of this arrogance. In a world of 7+ billion people the US and it's 320 million people, while the US has enjoyed success in the past 70 years, is faced with an entirely different scenario moving forward with China, India, Russia, and the EU...

 

this issue was caused by Trump ending the deal - Trump owns this mess now

and the Money Obama returned to them was Iran's own money they gave us for weapons we sold them, but never delivered

we could of got an even stronger deal if republicans in Congress were not sending message to Iran to derail the deal

 

yep, trump burned bridges by attacking our allies and not supporting them in the deal America agreed too