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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    No one is above the law not even illegal aliens.
     
  2. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    So, it's your theory that the Republican House and Republican Senate were sitting there waiting for Obama to write bills for them to pass?

    Obama took a significant step forward with healthcare.

    Then, under his administration congress created a bipartisan immigration reform act that fully covers the immigration isues we have today. And, it was passed in the Democratic senate. It failed because Republican speaker Boehner refused to let it come to a vote in the House - when the whip count showed it would PASS

    Both these problems have been at the top of the lists of problems America needs to solve. Yet, all we're seeing today from this administration is partisan bloviating.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    The only President that sent Americans to concentration camps was Democratic FDR.

    Illegal aliens broke our immigration laws and are not citizens.

    Educate yourself.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you believe that recycling the children is putting their children in the best circumstances?
     
  5. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you believe the democrats are sitting there waiting for Trump to write bills for them to pass?
     
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  6. WillReadmore

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    The approach we're taking today is pretty much guaranteed to not succeed by ANY measure you could possibly contrive.

    Repeating over and over that "It's the law" has never solvd anything, let alone immigration.
     
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    Trump is not even SLIGHTLY interested in solving immigration.

    If he were interested in immigration he would be encouraging bipartisan discussions - perhaps like Obama did.

    Instead, he's blaming the problem on democrats in loud tirades used to motivate his base to vote for him.

    Read the bipartisan immigration bill passed by the Senate during the Obama aministratio.

    Let me know what you think is wrong with it.
     
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    Just out of interest, because I read that 2,000 people were initially to be targeted and then I read that there were appproximately 10 million illegal immigrants in the country. How long do you think it will take to arrest them all?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bipartisanship? The democrats can't even get along with each other. Biden gave the example of being able to work with everyone. Because he included some racists in that example, the democrats are crucifying him.
     
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    Then let's stop catching ALL criminals.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    "Done"? Read again. I didn't say "done". I said "help solve". Those things are never "done".

    Try again...
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I tend to do tasks I can actually complete, not half baked half done tasks.
     
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    How about local governments turning them over to ICE when they are found out like during traffic stops, or when applying for non-citizen driver's licenses, etc.

    See how that works?
     
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    Yes, that's a strong point.

    With Trump redirecting ICE toward the general public I think we could be nearing the point where we're not going to tolerate what is sure to appear as a war against Hispanics.

    We seem to be able to tolerate border violence, even when children are kidnapped. But, when that starts happening in our communities my bet is that more will be faced with the truth of it.

    I don't believe Trump has increased hate enough for us to ignore these techniques when applied to those who are productive citizens and classmates living among us.

    When our cities see this happening within their borders they become sanctuary cities.

    Or, so I hope!
     
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    Nonsense. Democrats passed Obamacare in bipartisan committees in the House and Senate. Democrats pass the immigration reform act through the Senate - another bill created in bipartisan committee that included near unanimity among Dems.

    I think you are confused by the fact that problems have more than one solution, that congressmen don't all hold each problem as equally important with other ongressmen, and that this is a campaign season where canidates are working hard to differetiate themselves.
     
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    Seriously???

    We do NOT catch all criminals.

    We do not fund policing, investigation or courts such that they could POSSIBLY address all criminals.

    We fund law enforcement to a level that keeps the crime rate within certain bounds.
     
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    Is this what your liberal media masters told you to believe?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a single republican voted for Obamacare.
     
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    Yes. Republicans agreed that they would make a political statement showing they still had power after their spectacular election fiasco. So, congressmen were directed to vote against it regardless of their own assessment.

    BFD.

    The thing is, throughout the process of creating that bill Republicans had full representation on committees working that issue and they were free to report progress when they wanted to.

    Let's remember that after the bill progressed to the point where it could be modified only by amendment there were over 160 amendments proposed by Republicans and passed into the bill.

    That shows that Republicans were very clearly engaged in the process of creating this bill, being active and constructive committee members, and that Democrats (who were in the majority) were open to Republican contributions. In fact, the very foundation of the bill came from Republicans who were working on a counter to what was called "Hillarycare" during the Clinton administration. Obamacare follows that template closely, including the requirement for people to become insured


    We haven't seen such a stupid partisan divide as we see the Republicans running today.
     
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    Laws are not worth spit if you do not enforce them.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The is the crux of your problem. You believe that all problems.are caused by republicans and democrats share no blame.
     
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    Thank God you had your OcraZio Cortez official communista decoder ring handy! :roflol:
     
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    I bet that if the Government offered a CASH bounty for unharmed turned in illegals that we could clear them out quickly...
     
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    So what? Finally holding criminals accountable is suddenly a big deal?
     
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    If you expect the government to fix the list of "problems" you list then you must believe in the Easter Bunny. Maybe if they stopped holding hearings and news conferences on their "list of evidence" on how Trump colluded with the Russians they could get down to work on the infrastructure. Our climate has been changing since the earth was formed and now you think the government should stop it? That is both funny and sad. But I guess liberals think another tax could stop "climate change". Coal has been used all over the world for about 200 years while our life span keeps going up. But liberals are happy to close down a coal mine and put the workers on welfare. Liberals always need something to pick on and rally against. Coal and oil are good and will be in service long after you and I are gone. Income inequality is another cause liberals can take up to make them feel important and caring. The term itself makes me laugh. It's not the government's responsibility to see the school teacher makes the same as a brain surgeon. Salaries are individual responsibility, period. Stop wringing your hands over college tuition. Let it regulate itself. It gets expensive enough the colleges will have half empty classrooms. Then the professors can go on welfare and that should make a liberal happy. You insulted the people who make up the Electoral College and Putin is having a good laugh at your ignorance. But then like a lot of dem politicians you probably have proof of what you say. If we arm everyone the crazies will think twice about pulling a gun and shooting into an armed group of people. The GDP goes up and down but if we stick with Trump we will continue to have the strongest economy in the world. Relax. Trump is trying to stop the illegals at our southern border and you know that. His 5% tariff was a great idea. But he is fighting both the House and the Senate who want an open border and you also know that. This may surprise you but many people think controlling the border is an urgent problem and unlike liberals they would like to stop the criminals, druggies, and diseases illegally crossing our southern border.
     

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