Stop it! Refugees are NOT a problem!

Lolz ... this "not a problem" is going to bite Pelosi on the ass. The best thing in the world Pelosi could have done to ease her own suffering, would have been to support Trump's now postponed mass deportation. Now Pelosi's House will vacation for a month without funding DHS facilities. There ought to be 100,000 new homeless mouths to feed by the time Pelosi gets back to DC in August. Trump ought to release as many as he can in Pelosi's home district in the meantime. Forget processing and feeding them, bus them to DNC sanctuaries. It ain't a problem, until it's your problem Nancy? Excellent.

 

Most democrats in this debate use labelling and smearing to shut debate down or manipulate and shame those who oppose them into agreeing with them.

It's a matter of priorities,

Your priorities are;

1. Refugees
2. Your country's wellbeing

The priorities of those who oppose you are;

1. Their country's wellbeing
2. Refugees

Unfortunately your priorities could damage your country irreparably.

 

Nah. Neonazis, white supremacists, racists, xenophobes... those are the real problem. These are great American heroes who risk everything, even their life, to save their children and their family from gang violence and drug lords. We should look up to them....

 

They think like toddlers. They want what they want, and they want it now. Consequences are for grown ups.

 

It's already done in many countries. You have to have a job waiting for you, or you have to bring a bunch of money with you.

 

The bizarre thing is that they seem utterly oblivious to the fact that in giving resources to those who haven't 'earned' them (illegal economic migrants), they compromise their ability to help the genuine. And that's only short term. Long term it hampers the ability to help ANYONE.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

Isn't this thread about illegal immigration?

 

If we don't process them, how is it that you know how many there are?

 

Just in case anyone missed it the first time.

 

You're right in there with your assumptions about open borders. Others may be misbehaving, too, but that's not a good excuse.

How do YOU know whether you "oppose" me?

And, I don't accept this notion that the well being of our country and our treatment of refugees are somehow separate or have to be traded off against each other.

 

That's an interesting question. Not that many. For two reasons. One is that, unlike here, they are usually processed promptly. Here they enter illegally because our authorities refuse to process them. Another is that there are incentives for illegal aliens already here to become legal after paying a fine and taxes so long as they have not committed any crimes while in Costa Rica. This allows authorities to have to deal only with those who have committed crimes..

The fact that it's easy for immigrants to enter Costa Rica, means that Nicaraguans (easily the largest group) go back to their country when conditions get better in NIcaragua, and return to Costa Rica when they worsen.

We could learn quite a bit from Costa Rica.

 

I doubt this "they" thing of yours.

Obama was the first president in the modern era who presided over NO GROWTH in the number of undocumented aliens in the US. And, that took serious work. That wasn't an accident! That didn't come from oblivion!

The bipartisan immigration bill passed during the Obama administration assigned more than $40B to the Mexican border.

That wasn't an accident, either.

This whole conversation needs to start recognizing truth and discouraging "fake news".

 

In other words, the problem is not similar at all and any comparison in the method of solving it are useless.

 

They are not americans they are illegals and are only coming for the free bennies

 

It does for those who are running away from drug lords and gangs. To them, it doesn't matter if it "excuses" it or not. Fact is that they have no choice.

 

Actually, crossing the border without documentation to apply for asylum has always been an accepted process.

When people are under duress, when they are being hunted, when they had to leave their employment and other support, they can't sit at the border waiting for a year.

I starts breaking down when there are catastrophically bad governments, when there are drug operations and other criminality, when we can't process the number who are desperately seeking escape, things start to break down. The obvious direction is to FIX THAT.

 

And Republicans do?

Only under a Trump presidency. Much less under a real President..

Oh... I dunno... I've been hearing of this new modern activity they just invented. I think they call it "work"

Asylum seekers can work after 6 months. Which is idiotic. And should change once we have a real government again. They should be allowed to work immediately.

Irrelevant. I have never heard of any Democrat who wants open borders.

 

Yep! And so is my post. You didn't bother to read it, did you? You read something about racists, and you just jumped right at the keyboard

That is so funny. Not to mention revealing....

 

How many what? What are you talking about?

 

Refugees and illigal immigrants are different things. A heck of a lot more people than 15,000 crossed our border in 2019 with intent to stay permanently.

 

You said:
"Look the stats. In FY 2018, we received 30 thousand refugees. in the first 7 months of FY 2019, we received 15 thousand. This is in all points of entry."

and:
"They cross the border illegally because we don't process them. How is it that Costa Rica can process them, and we can't?"

So- If we don't process them, how is it that you know how many there are?

 

Free bennies? I don't know anything about that. I can usually tell from your posts that you're the expert on that.. Especially Friday nights...

But they are Americans anyway. And great ones, at that.

 

A refugee and an illegal immigrant are totally different statuses. One can come to the legal point of entry and be granted the refugee status on the spot, or if the case is promising - permission to enter. That makes one a legal alien with full rights to work. Contrary to the refugees, illegal aliens just run the border (or overstay) with no legal rights.

Totally different things! Border is not stopping real refugees because they are allowed through at a legal port of entry.

 

Left wing parties can on occasion do good things to immigration policy, usually because the union wings of their parties are not all that keen on mass immigration.

Right wing parties have dissent over immigration policy too, coming from the corporate sector (for opposite reasons to the unions), and a share of their libertarian/classical liberal wing (who support free movement of people)

As a result, every now and then either side does something the other is keen on.

I agree that neither Obama nor Trump's immigration policies are all that extreme, indeed many of the criticisms given of Trump's policy (usually with allusions to the Holocaust) apply in some part to Obama. The migrant children issue for instance.

 

But Im not the one suggesting that illegal immigrants are just refugees that weren't processed. Thats what he was saying if you read the quote he was responding to.

And are you sure refugees are always allowed in? I thought that was assylum seekers... everyone that lives in a country that isn't in good shape could qualify as a 'refugee', and we can't afford to bring in the hole world.

They enter illegally when they're denied or they believe they will be denied because they'll be seen as the economic migrants they are.