Iran called Trump's bluff

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. ButterBalls

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    I think he's thinking of the DRCongo

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    In a post just above you accuse trump of being mentally ill

    But thats standard fare for liberals to make personal attacks on republican presidents

    Which they have done since reagan was in office
     
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    You and those in YOUR faction are the ones who have been totally deluded, Sandy....

    "Americans will not be allowed to inspect the military bases," said Mohammad Bagher Nobakht, a member of Iran's nuclear implementation committee, according to state television." Link: https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20170830-story.html

    "Iranian government spokesman Mohammad Baqer Nobakht responded at a weekly news conference broadcast on state television on Tuesday. Iran’s military sites are off limits,” he said. “All information about these sites are classified. Iran will never allow such visits. Don’t pay attention to such remarks that are only a dream.” Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...for-u-n-visit-to-military-sites-idUSKCN1B918E

    Don't feel too bad -- Ex-prez Idiot "Messiah" Obama and that moron he sent to "negotiate" (and go on fun bicycle rides in the French Alps), Idiot "Negotiator" Kerry, were fooled, too. In your defense, though, nobody hired YOU to come up with a honest, verifiable agreement with a pack of deceitful, delusional Islamo-Nazi priests who yearn for the day when they can kill all "Infidels"....
     
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    IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano refuted this claim: “I am disturbed by statements suggesting that the IAEA has given responsibility for nuclear inspections to Iran. Such statements misrepresent the way in which we will undertake this important verification work.”

    According to Cheryl Rofer, former program director at Los Alamos National Laboratory, “It doesn’t matter whose hands do the sampling. What matters is the verifiability of the sampling, laid out by the sampling and analysis plans as well as the chain of custody. The IAEA’s practice is to prepare sampling kits containing the necessary equipment, oversee the sampling, and be responsible for the chain of custody.”

    The authenticity of the document the AP article is based off of has also been called into question; however, according to Jim Walsh, MIT security expert and Council for a Livable World board member, whether the document is real or fake is irrelevant to the primary issue: Iran will not be conducting its own verification or inspections.

    https://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/
     
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    There are two key questions.

    The first one is, will the U.S. military send up another UAV to spy on Iranian military installations?

    The second one is, on June 27 will Iran surpass limits of its stockpile of enriched uranium set by the 2015 international nuclear deal unless European partners in the agreement do more to help it circumvent U.S. sanctions?

    What I feared a year ago may happen. When Trump withdrew the U.S. from the JCPOA and sharply increased economic sanctions, he practically invited Iran to do the same. We are now seeing the consequences of that decision.

    For more info, see https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6a9afaa0e3e_story.html?utm_term=.6d3b9b195630
     
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    That's right, I don't. That's why I said the UAV was spying military facilities. That is a pretty broad category.

    Whatever gave you the idea I am siding with Iran? I am stating facts, facts you have not questioned. If the facts don't look good for Trump, well, that is his problem.
     
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    Facilities usually refer to fixed assets.
    You seem to think we should not spy on Iran even though that is the only possible way we could know what they are doing. Unless you think we should just be surprised when they attack a ship.
     
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    Trump wants to negotiate with Iran after she shot down a very expensive piece of military equipment. Trump has done this before, TPP, Paris Accord. It takes the U.S. out of a deal, then he wants to negotiate the deal. Trump is that stupid.

    "The Trump administration said over the weekend that the United States is prepared to negotiate with Iran without preconditions, days after the two countries nearly came to blows over a downed American surveillance drone."

    There are no takers. The Ayatollah does not want to talk to Trump. Neither does Rouhani.

    "Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Tuesday that the situation between his nation and the United States is "not suitable" for diplomacy, apparently shooting down the prospects of any negotiations with the Trump administration."

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/21/hassan-rouhani-trump-iran-talks-1336996
     
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    I seem to think? Why don't you go by what I am saying? Then you know what I am thinking. There is no speculation.
     
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    Thank you. I noticed Pollycy had no response to you. In fact, he quit posting. War hawks like him usually have no idea of what they are talking about.

    He tried to blame others for Trump's horrible decisions, and it didn't work.
     
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    Watch everyone. See if Shanks goes back and edits post #1 in this thread??? :roflol::rolleyes: o_O
     
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    Are you talking about hitting some Iranian military installation and there are few casualties? How do you know Iran won't strike back. Actually, she already has. How do you know Iran won't order one of its proxies to attack an American base?

    How do you know the response won't cause a war?

    You don't. Nobody does, and that is the dilemma Trump has placed our country in with his incompetence, naïveté, and downright stupidity.

    He's your boy. I hope you are happy with him.
     
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    I noticed you didn't show what prompted that remark.

    I noticed you didn't question what led to that remark.

    I noticed you didn't question anything I have said. Your posts concern me, not what I have said, making you a typical Trump fan.

    Speaking of name calling. I voted for Reagan, twice.
     
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    OK then. You don't seem to think.
     
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    Who didn't? But seriously. It is like trying to find someone who did not vote for Nixon in 1972.

    Reagan only lost six states in 1980 and Minnesota in 1988 (by a razor thin margin). And you alternatives in those elections were Carter and Mondale!!!

    By the way "Sandy". I'm going to leave this post with an error in it (1988 instead of 1984 above). In a couple of days I'm going to come back and EDIT it.
     
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    Yukiya Amano is a Japanese diplomat and a member of Japan's Liberal Democratic Party. He's been what's described as an "international civil servant of the UN" (whatever the hell that really is)....

    Yukiya Amano is not an Iranian and has no authority to speak for the Islamic Republic of Iran. Are you going to take his word, or what was spoken unequivocally by Iranian government spokesman Mohammad Baqer Nobakht, of Iran's nuclear implementation committee...? Nobakht stated clearly that there would be no (NO) inspections allowed at any site that Iran declares to be "military". I've already given references in this thread to his statements with links.

    Now, you should be able to "get it", unless you're as dense and blind as Sandy Shanks.... And, yes, THAT piece of laughable sh!t exemption was the Achilles Heel of the wonderous Obama/Kerry "agreement".... Nobody but an empty-headed, America-hating liberal Democrat moron would ever have agreed to such a thing! Where would anyone with a triple-digit IQ imagine that the Iranians would continue to develop nuclear weapons?! How could anyone with a brain agree to this 'agreement'...?
     
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    Exactly.

    It's just noise. Complaining, bitching, and moaning.

    There is quite literally nothing Trump could do without criticism from the left, so their complaining is meaningless crying.
     
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    This is Trump. Leftists have nothing to do with this.

    "North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen ... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before."

    Trump urged Venezuela’s military to drop their support for President Nicolas Maduro and allow humanitarian aid into the country. “You will find no safe harbor, no easy exit and no way out. You’ll lose everything,” Trump said.

    Trump warned the United States may launch a devastating military attack on Iran unless it comes to the negotiating table and drops its bid to develop nuclear weapons. “I'm not looking for war, and if there is, it'll be obliteration like you’ve never seen before."

    Is there a pattern here?

    Or maybe not.

    "On Monday they shot down an unmanned drone flying in International Waters. We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it."

    Is this guy bipolar?
     
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    You have a kneejerk hate for trump that cannot be fixed with anything I tell you

    So I wont bother trying

    The anti trump crowd is what it is
     
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    You're very welcome.

    I'm afraid that there will always be Chair Bound Chicken Hawks (CBCHs) in America as long as they are not required to make any sacrifices.
    To them, war is just an entertainment sport that happens far away to other people and has no adverse effects on their own little world.

    You're right in that CBCHs have no idea what they're talking about.
    They don't have relatives in harm's way, have rarely served in the Military & have never had extended hospitalizations in poorly funded American V.A. Hospitals with burned, mutilated, traumatized & dismembered young G.I.s whose scars rarely go away.

    The recent gaggle of CBCHs seem to care nothing about what happens to America's best interests or the loyal Americans doing the fighting but are obsessed with Israel's "security" (aka Regional Hegemony) as if loyal Americans are only suitable as Bibi's expendable cannon fodder.

    I'm sure I'm not alone in finding little comfort in knowing that Trump, Bolton & Pompeo who are responsible for this escalation are the ones who will ultimately be responsible for its outcome.
     
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    Trump "bipolar"...? What do you call Obama, then...? He authorized a 'nuclear deal including totally-guaranteed inspections' with Iran that permitted them to completely ELIMINATE all inspections at whatever they UNILATERALLY decided to call "military sites"! You just flatly REFUSE to even acknowledge that!

    Did you even bother to examine the FACT that high-ranking Iranian government official, Mohammad Nobakht, declared that there would be NO inspections at Iranian "military" sites?! You accuse Trump of being "bipolar", but is there something wrong with your own mind that you can't (or won't) see this for what it is?! That, Sandy, is the main reason that Trump got us out of this abysmally awful "deal" -- because although Trump never went to 'charm school', he isn't a damned fool!

    [​IMG]. "Can you blame us if your Muslim president wanted to help us out a little bit...?"
     
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    Iran is a sovereign nation that has attacked no one in 300 years. Iran, like Israel, is under no obligation to reveal its nuclear sites or military bases to anyone.

    Just as it is blatantly hypocritical for the US to reward Israel with $ Trillions(1) while it maintains the world's largest illegal, rogue nuclear arsenal, the Iranians are not legally, morally or ethically obligated to make any deal but did so anyway.

    It is neither just nor rational to expect one nation to agree to restrictions that are not universally applied throughout the region.
    In other words, as long as nuclear armed Israel continues to attack its neighbors with impunity, regional powers are entirely justified in establishing whatever defensive deterrent they can muster.


    “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel, $3Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/

    EXCERPT” While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.”CONTINUED
     
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    There is quite literally nothing that Trump could do that would warrant support from your position... so as such, your position and criticism are meaningless and not objective.
     
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    No, the truth is you can't.
     

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