Quebec bans religious symbols being worn by many of its public servents

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  1. Crawdadr

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    American schools would never ban headscarves or turbans - they might well ban crucifixes though. Already teachers aren't allowed to say Merry Christmas, but have to say Happy holidays instead.
    In New York, its the same with state workers. And be prepared to be reprimanded or worse if you slip up.
     
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    I think it is silly to ban such small symbols of faith on their person, which do not negatively impact on basic service. I do not however want them nailed to structure. The teacher may wear that cross, but I don't one nailed to the schoolhouse wall. The judge may wear the turban, but I don't want a copy of the Koran to sit next to him in court.
     
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    Damn, how times have changed.
    You are losing more of the Christian culture that defined the US. We can argue if that is a good or bad thing, but it's a fact.

    This has to do with immigration, white countries are making laws for the good being of immigrants. No other countries except the west does this.

    America s next move is to remove any instance of God from their money. Gotta make the immigrants or second generation ones less uncomfortable.

    Do you still swear on the Bible during a trial testimony? It is or was a very powerful and mindful concept
     
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    Its not very powerful to me. I'm not religious. . I'd be better off swearing on a copy of the constitution. but I don't mind if the religious witnesses do if that is their preference. What I mind is any suggestion that religion plays a role in the administration of justice. Its not whether the judge wears a cross, its whether he wears it over or under his robe. His personal bible belongs in his chambers for him to have next to his favorite relaxation reading for him to peruse at his leasure. It does not belong next to his gavel on the bench. It may not make much a difference if the defendant is Christian, but if the defendant is a Muslim or Sikk, he's going to wonder... what his chances may be in that courtroom, especially if the accuser wears that cross. Religious symbols should not be in places of authority or on personages of authority in a courtroom setting.

    I don't care whats on the money, and I don't worry about a morning prayer in Congress. That stuff is not worth the fight. Courtrooms and classrooms matter most, and they matter most when authority is mixed with religion. I don't care much what the children decide to do or wear in school or the witnesses in court or the janitor who cleans the urinals.
     
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    My favorite issue like this comes from the Gulf War (25-30 years ago). The San Francisco Police Department forbade their officers from wearing American flag pins on their uniforms because the police did not want to offend anyone by "choosing sides" in the war.

    Can you imagine a city not allowing American flag pins to be worn in WW II because they didn't want to be seen as preferring an Allied victory over the Axis? Liberals are unbelievable.

    On the current topic, it's funny how the "diversity" and "tolerance" liberals preach never extends to Christians, who just need to be grateful we're not feeding them to the lions.
     
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    I treat Christians pretty much like I do anyone else, except I recognize more of the religious symbolism and history than I would another faith. If you are a bigoted ass, or a sanctimonious jerk, it does not take me long to lose patience regardless of the holy books, symbols or relics you celebrate or deny .
     
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    Can’t argue with that.
     
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    Maybe in NY, but in flyover country, nobody will get in trouble for saying "Merry Christmas."
     
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    No. They now ask you to raise your right hand and "swear or affirm to tell the truth and the whole truth." No Bible, no "so help me God".
     
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    Hello. Apparently Quebec people have a very likely conception of Laicite than in France.

    The reasonning behind that is that political life/government shouldn't interfere with religion.

    As a teacher/judge/policeman, you incarnate the authority of the state. The state doesn't recognize any religion, so when you incarnate its authority, you shouldn't wear any religious sign.

    It's just a different culture than the american one consider the relationship to religion.
     
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    No, I say the word "Affirm" in place of "swear".
     
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    So no hijabs or towels on the middle eastern people? I have a feeling these will be allowed, just guessing.
     
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    religious, anything that denotes you as a part of a religion.

    From the article "will not be able to wear religious symbols such as a hijab, crucifix, turban or kippah while on the job."
     
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    Prolly, along with a hammer sickle and an inverted pentagram.
     
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    Here in eastern germany we are almosg 100% atheist and in germany symbols like that are banned here too. I could not accept a teacher wearing a veil or crucifix. Such a teacher can never be fair.
     
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    So are you saying an Atheist teacher cannot be fair to a Muslim student as well? Or is it just religious people that do not have the capacity to separate their religious beliefs from their duties at work?
     
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    Its quite easy. An atheist does not believe im an imaginery friend in the sky.

    I doubt a religious teacher would be fair with me.
     
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    That is just silly man. In my country we have people of all faiths and the teachers teach their kids the same way no matter what they are. It is mind boggling to me that you believe this. Now if it was a religious school then I could see a atheist student having a hard time since they would be mixing religion and education. But your regular old fashioned public school is secular even when your teachers wear a veil, cross, or turban. I highly doubt my Jewish teachers treated me any differently just because I was a Christian.
     
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    Sorry, religion has a very bad image here. I dont trust them.
     
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    They are just people, some good, some bad, but all of them are just like your neighbors. I would recommend you give people a chance as individuals and don't just judge them based on what ever group they may belong too.
     

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