Black motorist put his turn-signal on "too late" then, yes, you already know what happens next:

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  1. Raffishragabash

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    Well, considering that blacks committed 41% of violent felony crimes, and Hispanics 30% in 2015;
    and in 2017 blacks committed 46% of murders it is no wonder police are skittish around blacks. You are in absolute denial about the violent nature of the average black, and Hispanic too.
    Cops aren't out to kill non-whites. They killed 900 whites, 460 blacks, and 350 Hispanics through the years of 2017 through 2019. Bet the NYT didn't tell you that did it. Hell, Fox News wouldn't even tell you that.
    Your pity party for blacks is ridiculous.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Since use of a turn signal is not, violent, then yes your post is in fact nonsensical. Plus you refused to address the topic, about what cops did to this peaceful darkskin Black man who put his turn signal on too late.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why did you link a random meme rather than the actual article it references?

    Could it be because reading the article presents a much more complicated and nuanced sequence of events that the simplistic and selective meme? It’s not as if that article gets anywhere close to exonerating the police for their wrongdoing and so generally supports your overall viewpoint, but it does require greater attention and consideration on the part of the reader, something I can only presume you’ve no interest in encouraging.

    https://www.theroot.com/cops-force-doctors-to-anally-probe-man-for-traffic-viol-1831233316
     
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    Diablo Well-Known Member

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    From the link:

    officers from the Syracuse Police Gang Violence Task Force pulled Jackson over for not signaling for a turn in time.

    So just a pretext then, disgraceful, along with his treatment.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    This reads like you are more concerned about, me, than you're concerned about racism's cops who are terrorizing Black citizens.


    Do you jump out of your layZboy chair, applauding, everytime White-racist cops haunt a Black citizen?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My concern about the actual issue is the reason I’m pushing you to be more accurate and honest about how you present example cases. You’re not going to achieve anything with memes, lazy reporting and brushing over difficult details. That just makes it all too easy for false examples to be invented and therefore all too easy for legitimate examples (like this one) to be dismissed.

    Cover all the details (including the victims failings and mistakes) and you remove any scope for people to muddy the waters with those details and force them to focus on the relevant facts. It involves more effort and less emotion of course, but if you really care about improving the situation, you’d be more than willing to do that.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    I do not respect your choice to come here posting, hallucinations, where you dreamed up some zaniness re: how I presented a real, factual, event in racist LE acts ---as if, the way I presented the story was false, or somehow changes this atrocity.
     
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    You didn’t present a story, you presented a meme. That meme consisted of an incomplete and slightly misleading sequence of events. The article it referred to, and which I quickly found to link, gives all of the relevant details, including the inconvenient ones your meme left out. If you’d started with the article rather than the meme and focused on all the details, including the inconvenient ones, you would have been in a much stronger position to make the relevant point about this incidence of police violence.

    Again, if you really care about addressing this problem, you’d want to put in the effort to do it properly and effectively. Your method just invites unnecessary confusion, distraction and argument.
     
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    Meh. It is done all the time against people of all races. Not an indication of racism.
     
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    Sounds to me like he's more concerned about the truth So he can make a balanced judgement as to circumstances.

    Looks to me as if you were more interested in making good propaganda than with the truth.


    Ad hominem attacks are both bad form and a logical fallacy.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    I told the truth. Whereas you are trying to downplay or disguise White racism.

    So I think we both know, you will always lack appreciation for my scholarship.
     
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    I told the truth. He never presented any proof, that I did otherwise, and you did not present any proof either. Did you?



    Nope.

    I merely, asked you a question. I didn't accuse you nor placard you with any labels.

    So, stop posting deceitful nonsense in here.
     
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    You’re missing the point. You didn’t tell us anything, you just linked someone else’s meme and made some generic comments based on it. If you wanted to discuss this incident, why didn’t you post a link to the actual article?

    I’m not downplaying anything, I’m pointing out how your choice of presentation downplays any and all underlying issues and how presenting all the details via an actual news article would better support your arguments.
     
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    I told the truth. Now, stop focusing on me and focus on the incident here.

    You are trying to protect, racism's cops, by focusing your demonic posts on my way I presented the factual truth here. If I posted a lie in the OP, please say so. This website's rules allow members to post any link, online, as the topic of a discussion. Who cares, if you don't like the information presentation at the link??


    This is my last off-topic post to, you, so you need to either get on topic orjust get on!
     
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    This thread made me laugh. OP is fighting with someone that agrees with him because Joe wants the actual story to be discussed, not meaningless memes.
     
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    We can only focus on the incident with all the available facts about the incident, that’s why the article link rather than the meme is so significant. It isn’t about explicitly lying, it’s about not offering a full picture when it would have been very easy to do so.

    I think it’s undeniable that his treatment in the hospital shouldn’t have happened but it’s unclear where the failings occurred, between the individual officers, the judge who granted the warrant, the hospital lawyers and the doctors. This article relates to the man’s lawsuit in relation to his treatment (still pending apparently – I can’t find anything about a result and they tend to take a long time) so hopefully that will get to the truth.

    I see absolutely zero evidence of any racial element at all. Not even the statements from his lawyer mention that, and you would have expected them to make a point of it if they thought it was in any way relevant.
     
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    It's not actually unreal--bad choice of words.

    It is extremely common in this land of the free and home of the brave.
     
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    sounds bad, but would like to see the cop cam too, if no cop cam, then I believe whatever the citizen says happened, no reason for cops not to have cop cams in this day and age

    we need to see how the citizen handled the stop, did he appear to be on drugs, was he violent, ect.. if none of those are true, then the state should have to give the guy a million dollars in pain and suffering

    but I need to see a cop cam, not just a cops word for what happened

    he had no drivers license and was in possession of drugs, sounds like the stop went ok, but later things got ugly
     
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    Scholarship would require the presentation of the story, not a meme. You are trying to exaggerate racism.
     
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    A meme is not proof. Nor can it be thought of as truth.





    Posting memes as truth and making statements without any kind of proof behind them might be considered by most people as deceitful. it looks to me as if you meet that standard.
     
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    Im not convinced this happened because hes black. I read a similar story a few years ago about a white guy this happened to (forced rectal exam for minor traffic violation). These cops are out of control, to be certain. But just because he was black doesnt mean thats why they did it to him. He had a 'substantial criminal history.' Its likely some of the cops new him already. Maybe they had a personal beef with him. Maybe they were sick of him causing trouble, but hadn't caught him doing anything lately. Or maybe it was just because he was black. All are equally baseless speculation.
    Whatever the reason, cops should not be able to do this.
     
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    No, scholarship is a presentation, according to facts. So sure you can keep whining or complaining about the form of media, I presented, but that won't change the facts of this matter. No. And it won't change the culture of racism's police when it comes to Black motorists. Therefore you refuse to address, the issue the topic the racism, which my scholarship addresses. But hey, You are not slick.

    You came in this thread only to protect White racism. It's your expertise, I checked your post's archive.


    But it won't work here.
    So Your best bet is to get them to delete this thread or close this thread ---you'd be more successful that way, instead of embarrassing yourself by continuing to troll-post in here.
     
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    agree, the war on drugs needs to end, I think it has created bad cops, gangs and increased crime.... and to top it off, drugs are easier to get now then when the war started
     
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    The fact remains that you didn't present facts. Unless you present facts, your point is negated. But hey, you do not grasp logic.




    You came to exaggerate White racism. I wish you had some expertise. I don't need to check your archive.

    Oh, please. The last resort of the outclassed is the claim to have won the debate without actually having done so. You amuse my, my friend.
     

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