US Holocaust museum denounces AOC’s ‘concentration camp’ remarks

The Germans had their death camps in Africa prior to WWII, just like the US build concentration camps for the natives and also for POW's in their civil war. And actually....



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This is an American POW who survived a civil war concentration camp.
Sure, most survived because the aim was not to kill 'm.
But some concentration camps still had a death rate of 25%.
The pic says plenty how it was more luck to survive it.

 

My historical point was that the British coined the term Concentration Cape and the concept. Concentration camps were developed to concentrate a civilian population of non-combatants.

Andersonville was a POW camp for combatants, not a concentration camp for civilians.

 

The more correct civil war analogy would be the contraband camps, set up for "freed" slaves, that had a 25% mortality rate (see Devil's Punchbowl for example).

 

You make a good point that triggered a forgotten memory. I used to do Civil War reenacting in a Union Regiment (participated in the 125th anniv. Shiloh reenactment) and the reenactors concerned about anachronisms always referred to black people as "contraband", a racist term that reflected the racist attitude of Union soldiers during the Civil War.

 

The Italians are the inspiration for the german concentration camp. They used them in their conquest of Libya in the 20's. By the end of that conquest it's estimated that 80% or more of the Libyan population transited in those camps. The Italians also decimated (killed one in ten) of the male population in many camps and villages. Seeing that the other nations didn't intervened gave confidence to Hitler that they wouldn't mind if they did the same to the jews. And at first he was correct. Between the opening of the first concentration camp, Dachau, in 1933 up to the middle of the war, nobody cared. Only when the tide at begun to turn that the allies started to hint at what was by then well known to them...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/16/slavery-starvation-civil-war

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/devils-punchbowl-slaves-mississippi/

 

There was 1/2 a decade between the 1st German concentration camp opening and the start of the Holocaust. Concentration camps aren't necessarily death camps. And insisting that we don't call them what they are until they become death camps is how you get death camps. It's vital to speak truth to power while we still can, before things get too bad.

 

Horse hockey. Germany's concentration camps were death camps just the same, Just an extended stay death camp. People were starved and worked to death.

Only the tone deaf make this comparison. Do you call a holding cell in a jail a 'concentration camp'? Do you call processing centers 'concentration camps'?

The stupidity of AOC is evidently infectious.

 

The death camps didn't happen overnight. You can't just up and round up 1/2 the upper and academic class of a country and murder them without serious blow back. Gotta work folks up to it, like boiling a frog. The pics people always reference were taken a good 15 years after the camps 1st opened as the war was winding down and they were being liberated. If the camps looked like that on day 1, they'd be empty by the time Allied forces showed up.

 

According to the definition of concentration camp, and of course the history of same, the description is entirely accurate.

the fact that some morons associate the term concentration camps with nazi death camps makes the fact that America has created new ones in 2019 all the more disgusting.

And you should really try and figure out what anti-semitic actually means since it appears you are suggesting that using the term concentration camp is anti semitic, when the camps in question are all about brown people, especially innocent children and not about jews at all.

 

I am impressed by your knowledge of Civil War history. Most people don't know this stuff including me and I thought I knew Civil War history. Not to the level of a Historian with a degree in history, but I have read a lot of Civil War history.

 

The stupidity of AOC is evidently manifest moreso in those that think she is.

And a concentration camp and a death camp are two entirely different things, but why quibble when the rest of the world thinks America has reintroduced concentration camps to "solve" a domestic political issue.

I bet you are real proud of how your nation is treating children. Very christian, but I actually do understand how "us vs them" human behavior always attempts to dehumanize the "them".

Little children taken from their parents by the thousands, lost in the system by gross incompetence, while both adults and children are held in squalor. Yet another trumpian stain on America.

 

I'm weakest in the actual battles. My interest is more on the causes, especially the period between secession and the outbreak of hostilities.

 

The "camps" as you call them are not "all about brown people", they are all about dealing with people coming to the US in hordes and claiming asylum in levels that cannot be processed. The fact that they are brown seems to me to be a question of geography. You liberals act like the US somehow rounded these people up to abuse them, which is something it would be absurd to actually believe.

I would like to see liberals step up and volunteer to quarter these people in your homes. Of course this will never happen. You seem to want them put in resorts with my tax money. Do you pay taxes?

In conclusion, you do realize don't you that these asylum requests are supported by swarms of so called pro bono lawyers. Who or whom is actually paying for these lawyers. That is my question.

 

LOL, tell that to the people that were in the concentration camps in Germany.

You seem to think it is AOK for people to use children as a bargaining chip to try and apply for amnesty. The democrats made it clear that the borders were open. 140K apprehended in May alone. Up from 20K a month. You find nothing wrong with people putting these children through many dangers to use them.

Then you seem to think it is OK for democrats to refuse to fund the processing centers which are backed up because 'there is no crisis on the border' idiots.

 

Do you see any modern parallels to the pre-secession time period? Certainly we are at a level of extreme polarization. Not that anyone in modern times would seriously ponder secession and it seemed a little strange to have the subject discussed recently on the West Coast. Given the disrespect to opposing viewpoints shown in Congress, it would be nice to see another Preston Brooks type incident, but now this sort of person would have a different party affiliation.

 

Ah so. You are one of these foreigners who like to post here. Don't you have problems where you come from to engage your attentions or is life so boring you have to concern yourself with the US. And where exactly do you come from? Probably some place that currently, or in the past sucked on the US teat.

 

Secession, to me, is an artifact of a bygone era. The federal government consolidated its power following the war. Ben Franklin would have a hard time recognizing us as the republic we began as.

We have all become so dependent on the federal government that any thoughts of real independence for a State is now more a pipedream than anything.

 

I think the term is loaded and if it wasn't they wouldn't use it.

 

I watched Aljazeera a few times. What I saw was objective and far better to watch than say FOX or the Communist News Network, etc., but it was then removed from my available cable TV lineup for some reason.

 

I have a solution. Treat these asylum requestors like the US has treated soldiers on certain occasions. Dump them in a field with building supplies, pay minimum wage workers, bring in supervisors. Then teach these people to build their own housing and have them operate farms and ranches for their food. They learn skills, get some pay, get some housing, get some food and everybody should be happy.

 

Ah yes you are one of those parochial americans who despite absolute belief that America is the most powerful nation in history doesn't comprehend that that power has effects all around the world and your fellow citizens of humanity.

Not that you'd have a clue that those "sucking on the US teat" are the very same allies and marketplaces that MADE america great in the first place. Now it seems trump and the trumpette think it was a one way street in driving to global dominance.
But ignorance of history and myopic nationalism naturally dismisses all dissenting opinions regardless of source.

I am Canadian. And yes I am absolutely aware of the benefits of our accident of geography. But I bet you are not.

 

I'd like to see the US government step up and solve the friggin humanitarian problem that trump et.al. have exacerbated by its cruel incompetence. Put them in resorts with your tax money? What a joke, they are costing $700 a night to be held in squalor in both federal and private facilities - more than it costs for a suite in Trump Washington, and they don't even get friggin toothpaste!

AS to your question. Google is your friend if you really want to know.

 

Sorry all my relatives that went to concentration camps wound up in a Rienhardt camp and died. My grandfather and his immediate family were the only ones on the jewish side to survive because they got out of Berlin in 39.


You see nothing that could motivate a parent to risk it all to provide their children with a better future. Typical.

deomcrats refuese to fund the humanitarian crisis that trump's cruelty has exacerbated? Gee I guess that bill that just passed the congress was a trumpian bill, despite trump's threat to veto it.

 

You conveniently forgot about sanctuary cities which volunteered to open their borders for these refugees. And while you Bible to do what you are demanding?