I told you, there is a cure for homosexuality.

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  1. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed, however appreciation and arousal aren’t the same thing.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since decartes was completely wrong about human thought, the cartesian theatre is trashing a trashed concept to begin with.



    There is so much about human behavior that does not involve any conscious choice, even when we think we are making one. I've recently become a big fan of Robert Sapolsky, Stanford U.


    He claims there is not single answer but a series of convenient "buckets" that includes the sciences of genetics, endocrinology, neurology, epigenetics, environment, et.al. It makes a lot of sense.

    FYI here's a lecture he gave that is jammed packed with insights into human behavior.

     
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    If that were true in the case of homosexuality, most gays would be quiet content to have made their choice with courage and to live it the same way. If it were a choice, then, and a gay person began to experience anxiety, shame, prejudice, exclusion, and disappointment, s/he would simply make the opposite choice and stop being gay. But they don't feel contentment, and they don't simply change due to suffering for it. But they do sometimes commit suicide. So what's wrong with your judgement? I always feel that those who take the position you have live with a repressed awareness of being gay, themselves, and are trying to hide from it.
     
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    Okay, you guys are gonna seriously cause me to start kicking puppies!!!!

    Yes, he was wrong!!! ARRRGH!!!!

    I already pointed out that it's a fallacy. This doesn't mean you can simply walk right into that fallacy by talking about conscious thought, and think that because you know it's BS, I know it's BS, and even Descartes is probably rolling in his grave every time somebody else says it's BS.

    It's a bloody fallacy that is very very easy to walk blindly into, which is what the "did you choose to be heterosexual?" crowd doesn't understand. Did they choose to be *******s? Probably not, which is my point!!!!

    ARRRRGH!!!!!
     
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    And philosophy is not a legitimate answer.
     
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    Correct. But our friend said "Also men are disgusting physically." No word about arousal yet.

    Also, since "men are disgusting physically", I wonder if he has ever consulted women to see if they feel he's correct.
     
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    Evidently you find it convenient to miss the point.
     
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    No thanks i barely passed ceramics 1 in college. History though I'd love taking more history classes
     
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    I am attracted to lots of women who are not my wife and i choose not to sleep with them
     
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    Think of it as a legitimate direction.
     
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    And as you have been told, gays are attracted to same sex.
    In the past, they chose NOT to love one of same sex for fear of getting beaten or killed.
    Today, much of that fear is erased thanks to folks realizing how stupid it is to beat someone up for simply being themselves.
     
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    I understand that. I merely pointed out its a trashing of cartesian nonsense which was already trashed by science, when dennett, coined the phrase.

    Guess you missed the fact I was agreeing with you to the extent I shared a video which summarizes the progress of behavioral sciences and knowledge.

    In fact, Sopolsky posits that there is not such thing as free will when it comes to human behavior. Now that's one to chew on, and yet he presents a compelling argument from a biological perspective.
     
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    It's stupid to beat people up for any reason.
     
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    Well okay. I apologize. I was simply trying to point out that there is a problem with talking about conscious decisions to begin with, so asking me if I chose to be hetero just seems so... boring.

    Arguing in favor of free will is the real kicker. It's something we all assume to be true, yet proving that ability has eluded us.
     
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    But it happened to gays anyway. Just because they had a same sex attraction that is not a choice.
    But I agree. No violence is needed to anyone.
     
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    So another slur allowed on this board.
     
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    No worries. Jumping to conclusion in the heat of discussion is something we all do at one time or another. At least some of us are big enough to admit it when its pointed out.

    I agree. What I found fascinating was that sopolsky does attempt to prove that it isn't true from a scientific perspective, not a philosophical one. Loaded with informed opinion of course, but nonetheless, as I said rather compelling.
     
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    Oh, I don't know. Some people deserve a good whuppin'. I'd happily take a baseball bat to a child rapist or somebody trying to lynch somebody for instance. That ain't stupid, its righteously violent indignation.
     
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    You do realise this is likely Paul quoting 1stC CE Judaism and then refuting it with Romans 2:1?
     
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    Umm no that's incorrect.

    Paul was quoting from what he learned as a star pupil then elsborating oh how all men are sinful and condemning those who teach against sin and at the same time practice those sins. In no way does Paul refute the sinfulness of homosexuality. None. Chapter 2 is about hypocrisy.
     
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    Give it up. Gays love those of the same sex. Heterosexuals love those of the opposite sex. All the talk in between is utter boulsheat
     
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  22. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Are you claiming there’s no such thing a bi-sexuality?
     
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    Nope
     
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    Modern scholarship does not support your contention.
     
  25. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And modern biblical scholarship suggests a great deal of ‘Paul’ in the new testament isn’t by him at all.
    Then there are the unanswered questions about his wife. Much of her evangelism has been claimed by many scholors to have been censored by Rome from the early gospels.
     

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