Florida Approves Bill Allowing Classroom Teachers To Be Armed

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Actually, you cannot buy any legal gun in the U.S. at 18. An 18 year old can only buy a rifle or a shotgun. In some states, they can be given a handgun by their parents at 18. You have to be 21 in the U.S. to buy a handgun legally. Please look up the actual laws before making claims. I find most anti-gun folks think there are many less restrictions on guns than really exist.
     
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    A teacher making an "Amok run" will do so with or without the legal permission to have a gun on campus. I taught for 8 years in the 1990s. I brought in a briefcase to work. I could easily have filled it with handguns or a take-down rifle, and gone amok had I wanted to, despite the fact that at the time it was against the law to have a gun within 1000 feet of a school campus. Legally armed teachers could easily stop an "Amok run" by one of their colleagues.
     
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    A security guard is expected to provide security for those they are employed by. They are expected and employed to be mobile. An educator, however, is expected to hold their position in their classroom. Should the mass shooter happen to pick the classroom where an armed educator is present, it will be a costly decision on their part.
     
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    Would said underpaid educators defend their own lives with a firearm?
     
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    Your question has no basis in fact.
    No one has charged, or seeks to charge, a teacher to shoot back.
     
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    They only way they can arguer against it is to mal-characterize the specifics.
     
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    This is an actual conversation down here in Broward. What would happen to a teacher who freezes in terror and fails to act? It can happen to anyone who has no experience in firefights, and vast majority of teachers don't. Will they be labeled "the coward of Broward" in the media and then thrown to jail? I KNOW you don't have the answer, since no one does, but it is the question the teachers are thinking about.
     
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    All well and good - no one has ever said teacher MUST carry guns.
     
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    And many WILL NOT, after seeing how the armed guard was treated.

    The other issue is the inner city schools where an armed teacher cam be attacked and disarmed by a gang-banger student, so the shooters dont actually bring a gun to school when they can just grab it from the teacher.
     
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    And some will.
    How do the gang bangers know the teacher is armed?
    Why can't the teacher with the gun defend himself?
     
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    Why do people keep calling the guy in Parkland an "armed guard?" He was a School Resource officer, which means he was a Sheriff's deputy. He was a certified and sworn police officer, not simply an armed guard.
     
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    My mistake I meant the shooter coming into my classroom. Unless I have a gun in my hand my kids will get killed in front of me anyway because most shooters aren’t polite enough to wait while I get my gun . Would you ask a Doctor Who is not carrying a gun if he would prefer to see his patients killed because he didn’t have a gun? No I am a teacher I am not a cop. Perhaps we should have more cops in schools or perhaps we should just have fewer guns available but men and their “Weapons”There’s something very sad about the need for teachers to be armed. That is not a prerequisite
     
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    It’s interesting but the discussion has nothing to do with sexual identities, I guess there must be some correlation for you between homosexuals and guns
     
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    Your gun is on you - how long do you think it will take to get it, especially if you have already heard gunfire?
    And, you didn't answer the question:
    Why do you prefer to see your kids killed in front of you before you'd carry a gun to protect them?
     
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    How dare anyone expect me to have a gun on me. Obviously you don’t understand what a teacher is and can’t differentiate between the teacher and a cop. You’re the one fighting for more guns so it is you who prefers to see children killed in front of you because guns are more important than children
     
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    I doubt it - but OK...

    Regarding YOUR response:
    Unless I have a gun in my hand my kids will get killed in front of me anyway because most shooters aren’t polite enough to wait while I get my gun
    Your gun is ON you - how long do you think it will take to get it, especially if you have already heard gunfire?

    And, since you STILL haven't answered the question:
    Why do you prefer to see your kids killed in front of you before you'd carry a gun to protect them?
     
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    Defend themselves with deadly force against their own student? I think this idea exposes yet another problem.
     
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    Even worse.
     
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    In YOUR scenario, what are those gang-bangers....er....students... trying to do to that teacher?

    And, of course, you avoided the question:
    How do the gang-bangers...er... students... know the teacher is armed?
     
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    One keep wondering how many innocent black children in their schools will be gun down by nerve teachers given the yearly death total of innocent blacks being killed by error by cops.
     
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    ^^^
    Added for no reason in particular.
     
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    Where the mass school shooters meditate
    Deep in dark despair they wait
    For fellow students' lives to take

    Dressed in black like scowling clowns
    Dreaming of murders all around
    They wanna hear that heartless sound

    They're walking down some street in town
    Anticipating, counting their last days down
    They wanna wear that badass crown

    Someone should be there to meet them
    Greet them by gunning them down
     
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    You found me out I want to see my kids killed in front of me. (Sarcasm alert) But I found you out too, that you love guns more than you care about children
     
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    I'm sorry - you'll have to stay on topic and address the points put to you:

    Regarding YOUR response:
    Unless I have a gun in my hand my kids will get killed in front of me anyway because most shooters aren’t polite enough to wait while I get my gun
    Your gun is ON you - how long do you think it will take to get it, especially if you have already heard gunfire?

    And then...
    Why do you prefer to see your kids killed in front of you before you'd carry a gun to protect them?
     
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