Homelessness in London

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not have time to look at your videos. However it is to be expected that there will be a massive increase in homelessness in London. This would be expected due to the charge for having an extra room which will make the price of a home impossible for those with the lowest income. This is made much worse by the reality that there is a limited number of one bedroom homes so that people are unable to move to a smaller property and stuck with the higher prices simply cannot afford a home. Then there is the reality that councils in London are now property tycoons selling their property and land to the highest bidders and trying to get those in social housing transferred out of London. Lastly with the Governments introduction of the Universal Credit many people need to wait 6 weeks or longer till they receive anything so they get into arrears they never have enough money to pay back and instead of housing being paid direct it is now paid with living expenses which results in a lot of people spending it on other things and hence getting evicted. This is made even worse by the reality that people trying to claim benefits can have them stopped for the simplest of things - like arriving ten minutes late for the appointment because the bus was late.

    It was expected that the changes to social security would result in a lot of people on low paid jobs being unable to afford housing and hence either having to leave London or being homeless. Indeed even back in the 80's when Thatcher was selling off council houses and I was living in London we could see that in the future there would not be a home in London for the poor.
     
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    We should send them yellow jackets and the "how to riot" handbook.
     
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    Interesting Mark Field an MP who was in trouble for shoving a Greenpeace activist out the door by her neck has been found writing emails dehumanising these people and suggesting the charities who offer help to them should take responsibility for what the homeless get up to. At the moment he is in trouble for that. If we move to the extreme right that probably will change.;)

    https://www.theguardian.com/society...lls-homeless-charity-a-magnet-for-undesirable
     
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    How do you think the Migrant Crisis, and opening the EU up to free movement of people from other poorer European countries, has affected the housing situation in London?
     
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    Can't speak for London, but I know that where I am in Moray, many locals blame EU immigrants/immigrants generally for "taking their housing" as well as "taking their jobs", "leeching off our benefit system", "flooding the NHS" and "keeping wages low" ......so I suspect that even if it could be proven to without a reasonable doubt that that isn't the case, people with that mindset will still blame them anyway. That seems to be the UK way nowadays...blame everyone who isn't you for the fact that we have for the last umpty-ump years elected Governments which couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery and ensure everybody got a drink...though the current Government incarnation couldn't even find the brewery to organise the party in the first place. .

    I agree with Alexa...the problem is solely down to government policy...policy created by people who have a minimum income of £73,000 a year plus expenses and have never had to face the problems that government policies impose on the people who aren't them, their friends and their donors.
     
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    It is interesting how Governments/Corporate Media always get people blaming the 'other' in order to hide what they themselves are responsible for.
     
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    False dillema, the refugee crisis can make a problem worse. But from my point of view, the "elite" would first start to make people feel guilty for what happens to the refugee (saying it's your fault when it's their big corporation that plunder africa), then they will use the ethnic division to get elected, using strategies like "vote for a wahmen" "vote for a black man" "vote for a transgender muslim lesbian" to ensure their servitors to get elected.

    From my point of view the nowodays system can't be saved. All of our economy is based on the consumption of limited ressources like oil, coal and gas. I think the best solution is to investigate ways to live in autonomy. I don't believe there would be any "green" miracle,
    By the way for homeless people, it's too hard.

    But clearly, if you don't have any good to loose, any comfort to loose, there is no reason to not get revolted.
     
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    On your first paragraph that is your view. Mine is what I wrote and does not need to have any refugees for it to happen. An example: In order to radically decrease benefits and produce such severe hardship on those on benefits, what the Tory Party did was to degrade people on benefits as being work shy, lying in bed till noon and then having lazy fun. By doing this they managed to separate the wc. Those who had a job felt superior. They were working. They were not lying in bed half the day and having fun all night. Why should they pay for others to do this. It was right that they should take the blame for their position and be punished. What the Tories managed to do was to get the poor to support them hurting the most disadvantaged by making those just a little better feel a) a bit superior and b) harmed by having to pay the taxes the Government demands they pay to keep benefits going.

    That is a very simple illustration but it illustrates how governments manage to get people blind as to the real cause of their suffering and to project it onto the other rather than its rightful place which is Government. You could take that onto other situations and you will see roughly the same thing happening. When the poorest in work were prepared to take reductions in their rights and work from hand to mouth in order not to be one of those on the dross heap...they found they were the strongest users of food banks in the UK ...but when they then had to work under dreadful conditions...who was there to speak for them. United we stand. Divided we fall.

    Of course our Corporate Media helps. I do though agree that our system is dead and must change.
     
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    This is an excellent article on the situation we now find ourselves in in Britain


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    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...run-self-serving-clique-crisis-narrow-section
     
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