Why have we lost our patriotism?

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Obama had a charity to pay his bills, it was called the DNC, and he emptied the cookie jar.
     
  2. Nemesis

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    I do believe that Bonespurs has "buttblasted" people.

    Literally, not figuratively.

    I wonder if they've filed police reports.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Hillary Clinton being the buttblastedest of all.
     
  4. Nemesis

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    If you're speaking in a figurative sense, it's the American people. We won't **** right until 2020.
     
  5. tecoyah

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    Like I said.....next time you spend a few years in a torture prison because you fought for my country....let me know.
     
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    Says the one who posted a picture of the Obama's as Apes.
     
  7. WalterSobchak

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    Perfect example of a Trumpublican
     
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    Just so we stick to the facts, and I'm sure you agree, here are some definitions of PATRIOTISM;

    Patriotism, by simple definition, is the exaltation of national eminence, typically expressed as power over other nations, and an emotional attachment to the nation that one originates from. ... There are so many ways in which people feel patriotism, and there are so many differing ideas of what it means to be patriotic.

    devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

    Patriotism or national pride is the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment. This attachment can be a combination of many different feelings relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects.

    Patriotism, feeling of attachment and commitment to a country, nation, or political community. Patriotism (love of country) and nationalism (loyalty to one’s nation) are often taken to be synonymous.


    Well...none of the definitions I read talk about Republicans or Democrats. Patriotism is a personal feeling for the most part but can be more national for example during a national crisis. I think the root issue here is how people today like to redefine 'patriotism' to suit their own needs and then be righteous about judging how others feel. Perhaps you might understand that part of the definition of the USA is to allow PEOPLE to express themselves without fear of reprisal...freedom of speech is just one of many things that Americans fight and die and live for...so why get so righteous about Kaepernick?

    Lastly, Kaepernick is only ONE person. He does not represent anyone in the USA other than himself. Stereotyping what you 'perceive' Kaepernick is about across large populations of the US is simply wrong. It's amazing to me why you and others have so much fear over these individuals...
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True...Trump Disgust Syndrome does become enflamed when he is seen, heard, or acts.
     
  10. Gatewood

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    Are you referring to the Clintons?
     
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    Maybe, but completely accurate.
     
  12. Robert E Allen

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    It's unpatriotic if all you ever do is harp on the bad things and never offer any solutions.

    AMERICA is great in spite of participation in the drug trade, inspite of atrocities committed during the indian wars. Its great inspite of the KKK and segregation.
    It's great inspite of dropping nuclear bombs, it is great in spite of the mistakes made in Vietnam. It's great inspite of supporting corrupt dictators for oil.

    These shortcomings certainly give a little tempering to patriotism, but if you cannot see past them to see the great things about America then all means move.
     
  13. ctarborist

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    LMAO a Rob Schlesinger hard left opinion hit piece, is that the best you can come up with.
    Lets break it down...
    According to this hackjob asshat Trump is profiteering off the US govt. because he....

    A)Trump takes in at least 175 million annually from commercial tenants like the bank of China. OH THE HORROR!! Trumps been a yuge real estate tycoon for decades, of course he takes in millions in rent money, nothing to do with US politics

    B) In 2017 70 percent of his real estate dealings where commercial entities so we're not sure who owns these companies, secret investors with shell companies that BLAH BLAH BLAH....bullcrap. this guy has no idea who owns these companies, wealthy people do this all the time. I do work for several billionaires and quite often I'm sending my bills to some random LLC they do this for tax purposes or sometimes for anonymity. for example, one of my former customers, Joan Rivers, was billed out to BBNH LLC (which stood for Broke But Not Homeless LLC. this accusation means absolutely nothing.

    C) Government officials and foreign dignitaries have spent time in Trump owned properties....Again, so what? Trump owns tons of the most beautiful hotels in NY and DC, of course folks of importance are going to stay there. Has nothing to do with US politics. and the author even admitted that moneys from foreign dignitaries staying there are donated BACK TO THE US TREASURY! What a pathetic joke...

    D) foreign governments have approved building permits and given him trademarks.....
    Well Golly gee, the guys been involved in international real estate for decades, but now hes given a trademark or a building permit and all of a sudden hes profiteering off his presidency?
    WHAT A JOKE!!

    But I'm not done yet... enough with theories and anecdotal nonsense lets get down to the nitty gritty... lets look at the MONEY!!
    According to Forbes magazine, Donald Trumps net worth since being president has DROPPED by 1.4 BILLION dollars. Thats right, straight from the left leaning Forbes, the President is worth less (A LOT LESS) today then when he became president.
    And he still donates his salary to very good causes. A true PATRIOT!

    On the other hand Obamas net worth before his presidency was around 1.3 million dollars which amazingly turned into somewhere around 24 Million dollars. quite a windfall over eight years...But he kept his salary. not surprising...

    And then of course theres the Clintons 240 million dollar windfall since blowjob Billy was president....He kept his salary too...
     
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    Wrong.. end of story.
     
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  15. Thought Criminal

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    Please don't attack McCain on his imprisonment.

    I didn't like most of his Senate career. Although, he was a steadfast supporter of the military.

    I served twenty years in what is generally regarded as the wimpiest branch of the armed forces.

    Even so, I cannot accept any criticism of whatever he succumbed to under torture.

    I once stood face to face with Senator John Glenn. I told him that I thought he failed in his duty, when he sold his vote against the conviction of Clinton, for a ride in the space shuttle.

    I lost on that.

    No. I cannot abide anyone criticizing McCain on his service. Please move away from that.
     
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    I think you need to be educated on what is patriotism

    Patriotism
    or national pride is the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment. This attachment can be a combination of many different feelings relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects. It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to nationalism.[1][2][3]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

    the constant spewing of hate of the country its institutions and symbolism isnt patriotism its the opposite
     
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    no instead he forced the federal government to buy thousands of copies of his book to be given out for free
     
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    I suppose if your definition of "thousands" is between 2 and 3 thousand.
     
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    so you tell me how many book can one buy with 70,000 dollars? thousands correct hard copy being sold on amazon for 20 dollars so that makes it 3,500 books
    but Obama being the charitable person he is I'm sure he didn't sell those book at tax payer expense at retail price so I'm guessing closer to 5,0000 books

    State Dept. spends $70K on Obama books
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/25/state-department-buys-70000-worth-obama-memoir/

    and that was just the state department how many more departments also bought his book?

    its one of the reasons Obama left the white house 20 million dollars richer
    while Trump is losing money being president
     
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  20. Thought Criminal

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    Hmm...

    That's bogus.

    He's donating to government agencies... government agencies that benefit us.

    How much have you donated?

    Beyond that, why do you require that government benefit us. Wouldn't it be enough that government not work to our detriment? I just wish that government would stop doing to us.
     
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    For those questioning the loss of patriotism in America by citing Colin Kaepernick's protest or flags on shoes or taking down confederate statues, I believe the real question that should be asked is WTF do you think patriotism means?

    This ridiculous outrage labelled as unamerican by some, is in fact as american as you can get. Protests lit the spark of independence and it has helped fuel progress towards the ideals, values and freedoms that truly represent the nation.

    Its not about how much you love your flag. Its not about how much you love some statue of a traitor. Its about how those values create a people and society that provides equal rights, freedom, choice, protections by the rule of law and the opportunity for all to make and live a decent life.

    But there are those that need outrage to fuel the animus of political partisanship by focusing on respecting a symbol by not respecting what it represents.

    A narrow minded and pathetic form of patriotism, even if it is rabid.
     
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    If you hate your fellow citizens. If you disrespect them. You're insane if you expect them to give a crap what you think.

    I spent 20 years of my life in service to my country. There are symbols which represent that country. Those symbols are our flag and our national anthem.

    If you disrespect those symbols, you are disrespecting the country. If you disrespect the country, you are disrespecting me. Personally.

    Why should I give a **** what you think?
     
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    I'm sorry there were heros even in the confederacy who deserve to be recognized.

    Should we go to Egypt and tear down the pyramids? Built by slaves to serve evil monarchs no different at all than a Confederate monument.
    Destroying history, is in no way patriotic no matter what you tell yourself.

    Outrage to fuel partisan politics that's entirely what your post is.

    The paramount thing about the American heritage, is the supremacy of individual rights. That is their rights to life, liberty and property. Opposing any thoes things is by definition unamerican and unpatriotic.
     
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    You continue to pull our gigantic strawmen out of your @$$....daily.
     
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    I'm sorry, but hero traitors to the constitution that your American heritage is based upon do not deserve to be publicly recognized. Especially since they represent the fight for inequality and lack of liberty where people can be property. \

    As for going the false equivalency of Egyptian pyramids, did they have a constitution? BTW the pyamids weren't built by slaves, as proven by archaeology. Of course the egyptians had slaves just like the romans and the greeks and every damn primitive civilization in history.

    As for your projection that pointing out the superficiality of partisan outrage over a citizen exercising that "liberty" you are so fond of, is in fact an example of partisan outrage is intellectually dishonest and frankly pathetic.
     

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