What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

They have.

 

In the biblical fairy tale, only Jews considered men (humans). Gentiles are considered animals or beasts. Therefore, only Jews were considered to have been made in God’s image.

 

That solves a mystery,God’s circumcised.

 

Correct that we are animals.
All animals look to their own for guidance. Not some invisible guy in the sky.

Man should look to man and nature for guidance. Not his own twisted imagination as expressed by some imaginary god.

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DL

 

Ditto on all supernaturally based garbage religions. Christianity and Islam being the worst ideologies going.

It seems that we are both secularists. The ideology of the future.

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DL

 

Wait, first it's love, then it's marriage, then it's sex then canon fodder in a baby carriage..

 

The older Jewish beliefs did not follow the formula you put.

They were all about the Golden Rule and trying to love their enemies even before Jesus was thought up.
They were also not stupid enough to be literalists.

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DL

 

With the usual caveats.
Love for the in group and hate for the others.
Marriage if the genders are just so.
Sex if for reproduction only.
Then another poor soul to be brainwashed into idiocy.

What we do to our children. Tsk tsk.

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DL

 

Most of the ideas you claim to espouse come from religion.

 

I note you cite no alternative.

 

How long of a period of time did Christianity send it's inquisitors out to arrest or kill all who dared read of have a copy of scriptures?

I could do the same with every issue.

You might want to read some of the Christian history.

I will give you that they did give a speedy trial. They murdered quickly because they had many to murder.

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DL

 

I won't dispute the validity of your claim but since most of those concepts are universally reflected in the many religions around the world, one might conclude that they are all human ones too. It would be "unnatural and unwise" for religion to preach and promote anything else, at least amongst themselves.

 

I see you are appealing to the fallacy of the argument from ignorance.

 

Not everything is meaningless outside of God. But without God, nothing has meaning. I live these few years and die my death to no purpose beyond my own self gratification. Is it so wrong to want a higher purpose?

 

Still no cites for alternatives. This is not argument from ignorance, it is an appeal for your alternatives. If you have none, make it clear.

 

Family, creativity, knowledge, community, art, ethics. To name a few. Or you could just observe the fact that people already DO find meaning without God and quit pretending otherwise.

 

What is your argument for this? You are jumping to a conclusion while providing no evidence or even line of reasoning whatsoever.

Why would you believe that?

Why does a higher purpose require God?

 

Hmm. . . Same as you, arguing the opposite view. I will state that God gives my life meaning and purpose.

I see no meaning in a life without a purpose and a moral guide. If both of these come from oneself, without reference to the outer world,how can they have meaning outside oneself?

See above.

 

who wants an evil God but evil people?

 

And state so without any argument to support your case, and despite the fact that plenty of people find other meaning and purpose.

Another argument from ignorance, assuming God can be the only moral guide and that there can be no purpose without God.

Complete strawman nonsense.

See an "argument" based on nothing more than groundless assertions and attestations to your failures of imagination? Uh . . . sure . . . I guess. All of that is still based on the argument from ignorance: I can't think of any other option, therefore God. And even your appeals to God for meaning are based on self-interest alone. You aren't ultimately appealing to God but to personal immortality. If you can't see any purpose beyond personal immortality, the meaning you propose has no context beyond self interest.

So many fallacies here to unpack. Your initial "statement" has nothing backing it up.

 

Fabricating a purpose is as good as having a true one, if that is what a person requires to provide context and meaning for this ephemeral life and the sapient "curse" of knowledge of its certain end.

So no it isn't wrong to want some higher purpose with some promise of life after death reward for following the rules. In fact, I think its entirely human.

 

Perhaps.

I see it more, given that we are the weakest and most insecure animal on the planet, as the most insecure wanting protection without a conscience. They want protection be they right or wrong.

You saw people who voted for trump holding their noses as they voted for the same insecure reason.

Thoughts?

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DL

 

No argument was given to support the other side of the case. I see no need to support mine. These other people you cite have their meaning and purpose given them from what amount to religious principles.

I see that you offer no alternative. Perhaps you should. We could dispute about that as well. 'Til then I don't see you refuting my arguments so much as saying that they may not be sufficient.

Complete misunderstanding of what a strawman is. A strawman is telling someone what he believes. Clearly I was asking question of what someone believes, not telling him what he believes.

Why make an argument based on more when the opposite view makes no greater effort to support its claims? I note you make no attempt to support your claims, other than 'baseless assertions'. Why do you hold me to a higher standard than the one you hold yourself to?