Tucker Carlson: US rescued Ilhan Omar

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    Has it ever been disproven that dirty Donny banged his daughter?
     
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    I would love to jump into an 'excellent discussion' about changing values. But here at PF, discussions like those quickly devolve into insults and partisan squabbling.
     
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    She's a very unusual person, probably the only person ever elected to Congress who married her brother.
     
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    I like Tucker - while I don't agree with everything he says - he seems to be the only one challenges the establishment narrative from time to time.

    The last comment (in bold) "Omar is more a symptom" I think is bang on. I have a problem with phrases like "growing anti-America sentiment" given without clarification. What is "anti America Sentiment". Many point to those that criticize our Gov't as having an "anti America Sentiment" - and this is completely absurd. One can love this country but be critical of the Gov't .. and in fact most are critical of at least some parts of Gov't.

    Same with the "people who hate it" comment - what does this mean ? Do people who dislike the Gov't "hate this country" on that basis. It is not like politicians and the MSM do not conflate the two on a regular basis so this is an important distinction.

    "Right on Target" - I disagree. I think this article - while on the path to the target - does not quite hit the target.

    So we have "Omar, Immigration/immigrants, anti Americanism" What is "Americanism" ? People can differ but all should agree that - respect for the founding principles is a big part of this definition - in particular respect for individual liberty. This is the main principle on which this nation was founded.

    So then - can we say that if one does not respect individual liberty - this is an anti American sentiment ? I think we can.

    How does this relate to Omar and immigration/immigrants. Simple - either you have respect for individual liberty - or you do not.

    We have many immigrants coming from nations that do not have respect for individual liberty - in fact this is why many of these people come here - fleeing persecution due to lack of respect for individual liberty. The problem is that some of these people have no respect for the individual liberty of others. They only care about their own liberty. They want to infringe on the liberty of others ... look at in Europe where you have Sharia gangs threatening women for exposing too much flesh (wearing a skirt) in their neighborhoods - or threatening people who are consuming alcohol or doing other things their personal religious beliefs are against.

    Sharia - by definition - is forcing religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law). No one can then believe in Sharia Law an claim to have respect for individual liberty. Essentially these folks have respect for liberty - only for things they agree with. Everyone respects liberty for things they agree with ... but this is not respect for individual liberty. If you do not have respect for the liberty of others to do things that you disagree with - then one does not have respect for individual liberty.

    Note that essential liberty ends where the nose of another begins.

    Also note that although I used belief in Sharia law as an example of someone who hates individual liberty -and is therefore expressing an anti American sentiment - this is not a religious test. This applies to anyone who lacks respect for individual liberty - on a religious basis or otherwise. People who believe in communism have the same hatred for individual liberty.

    Why would we let people in to this nation that hate the main principle on which this nation was founded - people who have no respect for individual liberty ? "Oh but that's Social Engineering" some people will say - followed by allusions to Hitler.

    Omar is a Muslim - that said , not all Muslims believe in Sharia. The problem is that most do. How, given this fact - was Omar - someone running for political office - not questioned on whether or not she believes that Sharia law is justified ? This is how Omar is more a symptom of the problem. How is it that in general our politicians are not questioned with respect to their commitment to individual liberty - regardless of religious or personal belief ?

    The problem is that we now live in a society where we have a two party system and both Red and Blue Establishment hate individual liberty.

    This is how Omar is a symptom of a much larger problem. It is not just Omar that dislikes individual liberty - this is an epidemic in our political system.

    Is it "anti American" for me to say that we are a system that has lost its way ? This accusation is sometimes leveled at me when I stand up for the principle of respect for individual liberty.

    Is it "anti American" to dislike the Patriot act ? The act which makes it our "Patriotic duty" to give up individual liberty for temporary security? - in a nation that was founded on the slogan "Give me liberty or give me death" ?

    We now have a Gov'ts (Fed, State, Municipal) that do not respect individual liberty. What does this teach our children ? How can we expect our kids to respect individual liberty when the Gov't does not ?

    12 years of school and we manage not to teach a kid the founding principles so people do not even realize anymore when the Gov't is trampling on the founding principles - or realize that the safeguards that protect individual liberty either have been removed or are systematically being removed.
     
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    Here's more:

     
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    Trump's right about the Squad

    Rep. Ilhan Omar Refuses To Denounce Al-Qaeda, Islamic Terrorism.

    “Earlier on Monday, President Trump recalled Omar’s previous comments about the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Omar still refuses to answer the question of who she believes was responsible for the attacks. Multiple requests from The Federalist for a comment from Omar have gone unanswered.”​
     
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    Huh?

    Given that the 911 attacks were perpetrated by primarily Saudi Arabia, whose leader has Trump kissing the Saudi butt day in and day out, its quite reasonable for Omar to not announce how the Saudi's power brokers do 911.

    What the Saudi Prince has done to our newsman do with bone saws, with the apparent support of our American President, would make any sense rational person be reluctant to die a terrible death like that right after the USA President said the treasonous, Anti-American against her against her.

    Trump is now entirely irrational and unhinged. Trump is making all Americans open seasons to slaughter anyone (in America only, Trump loves the enemies of America with any leader who Trump admires for murderers).
     
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    No they weren't. They were carried out by rebel Saudi's operating from Afghanistan.
    Rep. Ilhan Omar Refuses To Denounce Al-Qaeda, Islamic Terrorism.

    It's DEnounce, not announce. And we all know why she refuses to denounce AQ and Islamic Terrorism.
    "Newsman"?

    Jamal Khashoggi was a foreign operative publishing anti-Saudi propaganda for Qatar in the Washington Post.

    “Text messages between Khashoggi and an executive at Qatar Foundation International show that the executive, Maggie Mitchell Salem, shaped the columns he submitted to The Washington Post, proposing topics, drafting material and prodding him to take a harder line against the Saudi government,” the Post wrote December 21.​

    Khashoggi’s Qatar connections were well known. The Washington Post collaborated with this foreign Islamist Agent, his attacks on President Trump and the Saudis fitting right in with their narrative.

    Documents showing cash wire transfers from Qatar were found in his apartment in Turkey. Vile collusion between Qatar, Turkey, and the Washington Post.

    Khashoggi was operating as a foreign agent in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act by doing this on behalf of Qatar, publishing op-eds published in the very influential Washington Post in an attempt to change U.S. policy against Saudi Arabia and in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood, which Qatar supports in spite of its status as a terrorist organization with most other Gulf countries.

    Turkey had control of the narrative after the killing as the only primary source for the media, with Qatar backing up their tales. Both had eager partners in western media outlets. Security Studies Group tracked this phenomenon: “Khashoggi case- Analysis of an Information Operation”:

    “Although Turkish-language media supported and helped to drive the narratives, as did Arabic-language media controlled by Turkish ally Qatar, the main outlets that Turkish intelligence used to execute their operation were major Western English- language journalist outlets.”​
     
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    Right wingers repetitively vote in Louis Gohmert and Steve King, two village idiots.
     

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