What if life does begin at conception?

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  1. fmw

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    I don't know. You tell me.
     
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    I don't know what agw is....and don't care much....the whole thread was a meaningless wash.
     
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    I have explained to you that cells aren't people because they don't have brains, hands, bones, hair, hearts, lungs, sentience, feelings, eyes, heads, noses, feelings, emotions, thoughts, etc. You keep asking what if we are wrong, but we aren't wrong. We understand cells very well, and we understand people very well. Its more likely that cats are actually secretly dogs than cells are people.

    And even if your conspiracy theory is right, abortion will be the least of our moral troubles. Contraception and condoms kills far more cells than abortion ever does, so we will need a contraception ban before abortion. We will also have to ban all chemicals or products that kill any bacteria and be forced to live in a way that minimizes cell death. You think a carbon tax is bad, just wait until we get our cell death tax and regulations.
     
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    anthropogenic global warming, aka man-made climate change
     
  5. Josephwalker

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    What conspiracy theory would that be?
     
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    If it didn't, none of us would be posting here.
     
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    That cells are people. There is just as much evidence that poop are people.
     
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    Then you need to be more clear. You are asking, and validly I might add, what if it is actually a person, a human being, as opposed to just human life, as of the moment of conception. However, this is not what you OP asked, although several of us did pointed out what you eventual path would be.

    But the answer is still the same. It well could be and that still does not override the woman's bodily autonomy.
     
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    Ok the parallel of the principal of the AGW question applied to the abortion subject was valid. But this...this is improper conflating at its worse.
     
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    You are making the claim, not me. Support it.
     
  11. fmw

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    I made no claim. I said I don't know. Why do you continue to criticize me for what I didn't say.
     
  12. Maquiscat

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    If you don't know what it is about, then how can you know it's not about science and logic? I you are making this claim, then it must be about something else, so what is it? Otherwise your claim has no validity.
     
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    How clear do you want it? Human life human being potato potahto.

     
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  14. Josephwalker

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    Your opinion is noted but my opinion is it's a perfect comparison and it gains momentum due to the fact that by and large hard core pro choice people are also hard core AGW true believers.
     
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    LOL. Tell me how poop turn into into a baby in a few short months. I will agree though that some in here think it is poop until it's born and takes its first breath and as such can be just as easily flushed down a toilet until that time.
     
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    Reality and common sense dictate that a born human becomes a "Being" and is given the rights that entails. Until that time it is first a Zygote, then an Embryo and eventual a Fetus until born. These however are technical and biological designations which do not carry the emotional message having a "Baby" inspires so many (including me) will often use the term baby at any time during a pregnancy. I usually said by wife was carrying our baby if asked as would most people and it was a Child once born...in conversation as well as biology.
     
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    HOW are we "taking a chance that we are destroying human life " ????

    That is what abortion does.....why are you confused?
     
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    We called out babies "babies" the minute we knew my wife was pregnant. Nobody ever said congratulations on your zygote or embryo or fetus
     
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    So?
     
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    My point exactly....we always call them babies regardless of gestation. But you folks say babies are aborted specifically to get emotional response knowing no actual "Baby" as in born is involved...bad form.
     
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    At some point before birth everyone calls them babies except a very few psychos.
     
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    …..Ayup...everyone agrees with that....my point stands.
     
  23. FoxHastings

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    :) Of course to some people using scientific terms is what psychos do....those are the science deniers....they call their penis their doohinky, johnson, pee-pee, wanger….they can never use that word "penis" because that is way too intelligent and "sciency".
     
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    No, they don't.

    You. Are. Lying.

    That's the real point of the OP. Your frothing religious cult's sacred dogma has been refuted every time with hard data. Rather than be honest and accept that, you go into denial and tell more lies.
     
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    Now you just projecting - "Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person."

    The idea that a single human cell is on par with a living human - a child - a baby - and so on, is preposterous nonsense -and you know it.

    A 5 year old or even younger can tell you the difference. Just play the game "which one is not like the others" - put 3 pictures in front of the child - 1) A Man, 2) An Ape 3) a Zygote.
     
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