AR15: A weapon of War?

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Is the AR15 a "military weapon" and/or "weapon of war"?

  1. Yes, the AR15 is a "military weapons" and/or "a weapon of war"

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  2. No, the AR15 is NOT a "military weapons" and/or "a weapon of war"

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  3. I dont understand the issue and/or the question

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Factually incorrect. the M-14 utilizes an entirely different round of ammunition than what is utilized by the AK-47 and its derivatives.

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    The round of ammunition for the M-14 is the third from the left. The round of ammunition for the AK-4 is the forth from the left. The overall cartridge dimensions are not in any way similar to one another, thus making interchangeability a physical impossibility.
     
  2. Gary/Dubya

    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    You can't read. I asked you to check 100 videos about feral pig or wild boar hunting and find someone using an AR15. not using a search engine to do so. There has to be a hundred videos of real people using weapons and not some right winger trying to make it look like an AR-15 is such a great weapon.

    Everyone who has defended the AR-15 doesn't know jack **** about rifles.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    Who ****ing said they were? I said the M-14 could use AK-47 rounds and an AK-47 couldn't use M-14 standard NATO rounds. Get it?

    The bullet for an AK-47 will go down the barrel of an M 14, but you can't fit standard NATO in an AK-47. Smaller fits and bigger doesn't.
     
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  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    The only thing that has been "gotten" in the above exchange, is the glaring absence of knowledge on the subject of firearms that is being demonstrated on the part of yourself. It is physically impossible for the ammunition utilized by the AK-47, to be utilized in an M-14 rifle.

    Observe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_NATO

    Parent case .308 Winchester (derived from the .300 Savage)
    Case type Rimless, Bottleneck
    Bullet diameter 0.308 in (7.82 mm)
    Neck diameter 0.345 in (8.8 mm)
    Shoulder diameter 0.454 in (11.5 mm)
    Base diameter 0.470 in (11.9 mm)
    Rim diameter 0.473 in (12.0 mm)
    Rim thickness 0.050 in (1.3 mm)
    Case length 2.015 in (51.2 mm)
    Overall length 2.800 in (71.1 mm)
    Rifling twist 1 in 12 in (304.8 mm)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×39mm

    Case type Rimless, bottleneck
    Bullet diameter 7.85-7.9 mm (0.309-0.311") SAAMI[1] 7.92 mm (0.312") CIP[2]
    Neck diameter 8.60 mm (0.339 in)
    Shoulder diameter 10.07 mm (0.396 in)
    Base diameter 11.35 mm (0.447 in)
    Rim diameter 11.35 mm (0.447 in)
    Rim thickness 1.50 mm (0.059 in)
    Case length 38.70 mm (1.524 in)
    Overall length 56.00 mm (2.205 in)
    Case capacity 2.31 cm3 (35.6 gr H2O)
    Rifling twist 240 mm (1 in 9.45 in)

    The two cartridges possess entirely different dimensions. What is being claimed on the part of yourself is physically impossible.
     
  5. Gary/Dubya

    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    This may be a big secret to you, but anyone in the service during my day who were trained using M 14s were told about using AK-47 ammo. It's not recommended to use them, but it can be done and that's why the M 14 was designed that way.

    You're just like all these others who just troll, don't know jack **** when it comes to weapons or anything you talk about and don't ever believe the truth when you hear it, because it's against what you want to believe. What's the sense of living a life of lies? You don't ****ing know and I do. My brother bought at least 7 AK-47 type weapons and he had the largest arsenal I've ever seen a civilian have. The only thing good about the AK-47 is it's cheap to manufacture and it's adequate for battle. It never was a super weapon.

    Face it, it's the internet and you don't know who you are talking to.
     
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  6. TOG 6

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    All of the US military marksmanship units have M16s with a free floating barrel.
    It's impossibly easy to do with an M16, and you don't need to bed it.
     
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    Wait....
    You think the M14 can use AK47 ammo?
    BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!
     
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    I accepted your concession of the point long ago - you have clearly demonstrated you know nothing about firearms, and you are proud to prove it.
     
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    Haw!!
    You DO think the M14 can use 7.62x39!!!!
    BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
     
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    The AMU, USMCMU, USAFMU all disagree with you.
    Tell us why -you're- right and -they're- wrong.
    Oh, that's right - you can't.
    Never mind.
     
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  11. Gary/Dubya

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    I don't have to think, I'm telling you it can and the M 14 was designed that way as a NATO weapon. Notice the AK-47 came first.
     
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    Nah. You didn't.
     
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    You said:
    "When they wanted a NATO rifle like the M 14, they wanted a rifle that could use AK-47 ammo"
    "The M 14 was intentionally designed to use those commie AK-47 rounds"
    How do yo not know the M14 cannot fire 7.62x39?
     
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    He's either impossibly ignorant, or trolling.
    Possibly both.
     
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    This is a lie.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    What exactly is your problem and don't you realize many people know an M 14 can use AK-47 ammo?

    Let's face it, you believe all that money couldn't do something as simple as that? How ****ing hard is it to design the best weapon of those times and design it in a way to use the ammo of your enemy, when they made their standard weapon first?
     
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    Says the guy who believes 7.62x39 will work in a rifle chambered for 7.62x51

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    BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
     
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    BWWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!

    You're a HOOT! Keep it up!!
     
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    Robert E Allen Banned

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    The first step in living in piece is for you to stop telling me what I need or don't need.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    Having a bullet in the chamber and not fully in the barrel will not stop it from working. That bullet will find it's way down the barrel. Notice you added the 5.56 NATO, which won't work in either. Smaller works and bigger doesn't, is that too hard for you to understand?
     
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    The answer is yes..
     
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    I thought it was finding a good woman.
     
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    If one attempts to utilize AK-47 ammunition in an M-14 rifle, how exactly is one supposed to get the shorter round of ammunition to seat on the bolt carrier, which contains the firing pin, which causes the round of ammunition to discharge?
     
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    BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
    Thank you for continuing to prove you know nothing about guns.
     
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    He can't answer you because he doesn't know what any of those things are.
     

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