The 1950s are coming back

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  1. Pycckia

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    I give you data and you reply with bluster.

    Are left-wingers completely incapable of dealing with facts that contradict their ideology?
     
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    I couldn’t find them can you link me to them?
    I think you have a problem differentiating between feminism and unhappiness in today’s economy and society. I don’t know many women that would want to go back to being denied equal rights
     
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    Those that are selected and pushed to be pawns for a political agenda are often unaware of the fact that they are being treated as nothing more than pawns. They are also the type who loudly object when being informed that they are pawns, and refuse to listen when one makes the effort to demonstrate precisely how they qualify as being pawns. They prefer to be nothing more than useful idiots, and have no interest in knowing the truth.

    It is not the fault of anyone else that a useful idiot has no desire to be anything except for a useful idiot.
     
  4. Pycckia

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    See posts 103 and 107. They contain the links.
     
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    This has already been done, for several decades.

    And I believe, from observation, that it has led to a certain amount of sharing of the burdens of housework, probably mainly in middle-class households.

    But turning men into homemakers -- more generally, turning them into women who cannot have babies -- is not possible, even if it were desirable.

    The maternal instinct is real -- although of course like all biologically-rooted influences on behavior, it's not of equal strength in every female -- and cannot be implanted in males by ideology. You can change behavior somewhat, but not biologically-based impulses.

    The attempt to do so is Leftist fundamentalism -- the idea that homo sapiens is not an animal, and that the determinants of human behavor are a blank slate, that can be altered in any way we like and to whatever degree we like by the social environment.

    We can and have made enormous changes in the social environment, and very good ones. When I was at university, a long time ago, a woman in a physics class was a real rarity. The same for mathematics. Now, I believe, half or more of undergraduates studying mathematics are female. A huge advance.

    But these same women face the problem that you establish your career in the first ten or fifteen years after you leave higher education. But that's just when it's the best time to have babies. So we need to deal with that problem to the extent that we can. (In the future, advances in science will no doubt find much more radical solutions, such as allowing women to postpone childbirth until they are middle-aged, some time in their 60s or 70s, having had a career and accumulated assets. In the meantime we should do what we can.)
     
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    Hell yeah :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus: :flagus:
     
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    I knew a guy who could take his protective gloves on and off quicker than anyone in the world. He could fix anything on the minivan right in the driveway all while popping the wet clothes into the dryer and making lunch for his kids or supper for his wife and kids. He had them kids fishing before kindergarten and hunting by 3rd grade -- he had too, it was his me time. His wife did pretty well chasing ambulances.
     
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    Sounds like you’re talking about trumps base.
     
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    I found the NYT OpEd. There was nothing too surprising there. There was nothing to indicate desire in returning to "the good old days." Men and women are working it out. There is a much greater degree of sharing domestic tasks. There have even been numerous cases of role reversal. I see the adjustments in my grandkids.

    Will the 50's come back? Not a chance.
     
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    Predictions are hard, especially about the future. Who could have predicted even ten years ago the fad for dosing children with powerful hormones and mutilating their genitals?
     
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    God, how I wish that I had married a brilliant female lawyer, or surgeon, who could bring in the bucks while I pottered around the house and read books. My second wife had an IQ almost in the fifth standard deviation -- she could win Mastermind games in half a dozen moves -- but chose to become a college professor. (I'm still on good terms with her, and it's from her -- she's still teaching -- that I have learned the inside story on Thought Control in the academy. She's a liberal, but still cannot openly say some of the non-PC things she believes if she wants to keep her job.)

    A lot of this is just custom. Note that a 'traditional' female role, like food preparation, becomes a profession when men take it up. So the idea of male and female professions is just custom, in many fields. (But not in others: women in infantry platoons is insanity, or desperate necessity, and I personally do not want a male nurse.)

    There's no doubt a lot of tokenism and PC-inspired appointments now, so I watch the areas where achievement is real: Nobel Prizes for the sciences and medicine and Fields Medals for mathematics: the latter was just won for the first time by a woman, and an Iranian at that, a few years ago. Onwards!
     
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    Seems to me that Progressive Democrats are leaning toward Fascism, not the moderates and the Republicans. Remember the Tea Party? We want Government to take a back seat in our lives.
    Compare Antifa to the Tea Party. Antifa and the progressive left are the fascists, not Republicans . And Trump has nothing in common with Hitler.

    You may not like Trump because of his personality, but he doesn't care, he just wants to "fix" the things that have been messed up for a long time. The life long politicians were afraid to tackle unpopular issues because they cared more about their poll numbers than taking care of the Countries problems. He is actually more of a moderate and could have even accomplished more if Democrats and Republicans weren't such do nothings.
     
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    That's what reactionaries don't understand.
    You can't go back because it would entail returning to the racist, misogynist past.
    The world is in transition as we learn to deal with having to respect everyone and the sexes and races are forced to learn to live together as equals.
    It's hard but it's the only way forward.
    The kids are leading the way on this.
     
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    Going back means rebuilding the middle class.
    Television was not all about sex and killing people.
    Respect was respected.

    Going forward now means not knowing which bathroom to use.
     
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    Every individual from every base is being called out and criticized.
     
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    Sounds like you don’t have very high aspirations if your desire is to marry a woman who could make money so you could “stay home and putter” yep, that’s what homemakers do....and cook and clean and take care of children, ...oh, and not get paid or respected for the work. I’m lucky my husband and I both worked and we were able to read books. Your I,pressing of homemakers is so disrespectful
    I find it interesting that you would not want a male nurse. Are you sexualizing it? Do you want only a female doctor?
    Traditional female roles were paid less like teachers and social workers and nurses and secretaries. But now the same nurses are becoming doctors and women are no longer opting to be teachers when there are professionals that pay much more. Nurses are now getting paid much more Cause there is a shortage. Another thing you might notice about chefs that got paid big bucks..... in the past these culinary schools allowed only men. An interesting observation from the past was servers and restaurants. In the upscale restaurants the servers were males and in the diners they were usually females which would explain the tipping and the take-home pay
     
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    Yes, I’m sure you have a problem not knowing which bathroom to use.....(sarcasm alert)
     
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    No, I'm teasing a bit there. The reality is, you had better have your own income source, and not be dependent on your spouse, whether you are male or female. If it's appropriate, I always advise my female tutees (teenagers) to start a bank account that no one knows about but themselves, having seen men take advantage of women in divorce settlements.

    I definitely don't want a male nurse. Women are far more kind and caring. Men, not so much. It's just biology. On the other hand, if I need a bodyguard, it's going to be male.

    As for the doctor, I want the most competent one I can get. My eye surgeon was female, swore like a trooper, and when she started to go on about that terrible Tony Blair, I -- who am the only person left in Britain who doesn't despise the poor guy -- kept my mouth shut, since she had her scalpel poised over my eyeball.

    As I said, the emancipation of women is a huge step forward for humanity. Look at all the researchers in medicine, for example, who are female. The emanciplation of women greatly expanded the pool of intelligent people working to make the world a better place and helping us understand the universe. And it's undermining the rulers of all kinds of nasty backward countries, esp;ecially Muslim ones.

    On the down side, it's deprived the education system of a pool of exploitable cheap labor. Intelligent women who, fifty years ago, would have had to become school teachers, are now becoming doctors and lawyers and scientists and engineers. We don't pay teachers enough to replace these lost treasures with their equivalents.

    Men and women should have equal rights, but men and women are not the same.
     
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    You go t that right. The leftist race card is the universal defense as well as the universal excuse and universal attack. It's also a crock of BS.
     
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    Yes, agree. I refer only to that welfare money which is currently rewarding non-widowed (aka, voluntary) single parenthood.

    FTR, my version would only be good for 2 kids. Add a third and the benefits for one of the first two is forfeited. Add a fourth and you lose the remainder. And it's only good for the duration of their education (high school, trade school, or university).
     
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    It's a 'bonus' for raising and educating your own kids. The gender of the stay-at-home parent is entirely irrelevant.
     
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    Our friend prefers the company of his own kind. Do you have a problem with people feeling that way?
     
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    Not sure they're pushed. It's a choice.
     
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    Appreciate your man help in telling us what we do and don't want.
     
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