Show me where I said something that would lead people to that conclusion. I got interested in this topic when I heard on the news that a guy named David Irving had gone to prison for saying that there was no Holocaust. I started watching his videos and I saw that he didn't actually say that no Jews were killed by the Germans but that the number was actually about two hundred and eighty thousand, not six million. He also maintained that they were killed by shooting, starvation, etc and not by gassing. He seemed pretty rational so I looked at more stuff* and it all seemed to make sense. I'm not anti-Jew as I've met some pretty cool Jews but I'm anti-Zionist. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+zionist+story * http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
over exaggerations happened, people hated Hitler, so anything bad about Hitler was gonna be believed, I mean who in their right mind would defend the guy at that time, he was evil he is the reason many were killed in gas chambers and so many others abused, that is all most need to know I do not think we will ever know the true numbers
If anyone wants to know what motivates many Holocaust Deniers, here's something posted by a PF member: "The next year, in 1920 Jewish international bankers(many of them the same involved in creating the League of Nations and the Federal Reserve) began giving big interest-bearing loans to Germany. By 1923 Germany was already going bankrupt to the Jewish financiers and couldn't continue paying the 270 billion Reichmark war reparations. Unable to even buy back their own coal from the "allies," factories began closing and thousands of Germans became unemployed. In 1924 as revenge for Germany stopping payment to the Jewish international banksters, they devalued the Papermark so sharply that within months millions of German families couldn't afford food or rent. It took a wheelbarrow full of Papermarks to buy a loaf of bread; thousands of Germans died of starvation. Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks were building concentration camps during this time, using Poland and other neighboring countries as a satellite to attack and takeover German soil. This was the pretext for Hitler's rise to power. From 1933-1940 Hitler tried repeatedly to make peace with the Jews and "allied" forces even calling for complete disarmament on everyone's part. He was nominated for the Nobel peace prize in 1939, the very year he was attacked on his own soil after repeatedly pleading for peaceful solutions. In 1936 99% of German registered voters went out to vote and 98.8% voted for Hitler. The Jewish media has ever since painted an evil picture of Hitler and the Jew World Order has even enacted laws in 18 European countries prohibiting free-speech on the issues of Judaism and the Holocaust. Please read Why the Holocaust Denial? and watch the following videos to see how you have been lied to about one of the most significant men in modern history."
The fact that Jews were members of the Nazi Party and high ranking members of Hitler's military is salient to this thread in that it proves that not all Jews were persecuted and selected for execution because they were Jewish. If millions were executed, where is the commensurate amount of remains as has been the case with with other large number of deaths & genocides in the 19th & 20th century? "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
I'm still waiting for Hoosier to address what I asked him in post #25 about the soap made form human fat and lamp shades made from human skin. Tell us whether you think those stories are real, or bogus.
the vast majority of Jews encountered by the Nazis and their Fascist allies in Europe were indeed persecuted. they were ALL forced into ghettos and concentration camps. very few were able to avoid such actions.
The standard holocaust narrative is that all Jews were persecuted, executed, tortured etc however, as I've shown, there are extensive exceptions in Germany's WW 2 military(1) and even Germany's own Nazi party(2). What about young, Jewish Rosa Bernile Nienau and her Jewish mother(3)? Why didn't Hitler have them rounded up & executed? How many quiet exceptions do you think there really are? I think that is noteworthy that Germany's Race Laws were crafted and supported by both the German Zionist Federation that wanted to preserve Jewish "racial purity" & the Nazis who were apparently willing to make many exceptions in the military, the Nazi party itself & German society in general. (1) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587 EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941 EXCERPT "According to the auction website, Rosa and her mother had joined the crowds outside Hitler's Alpine retreat Berghof in 1933 on his birthday. It is thought that when he discovered Rosa had the same birthday, he invited Rosa and her mother Karoline up to the house - where these photographs were taken. Not long afterwards, it was discovered that Karoline's mother had been Jewish, making Rosa Jewish in the eyes of the Nazi state. Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionHitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph. "The dear and [considerate?] Rosa Nienau Adolf Hitler Munich, the 16th June 1933," he wrote. Rosa, it appears, later added her own stamp to the photo, drawing flowers onto the black-and-white image. She would write to Hitler and his aide Wilhelm Bruckner on at least 17 occasions between 1935 and 1938, until she and her mother, a widow, were told to cut off contact by the Nazi leader's private secretary, Martin Bormann."CONTINUED
Of course.... However, you should know that after debunking many of your assertions I don't make "wild claims". "Zionism and the Third Reich" https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html EXCERPT: Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a detailed memorandum to the new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." 'Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals, because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain.' On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interest." CONTINUED More recently, Israel's new Education Minister, Rabbi Rafi Peretz, equated intermarriage between American Jews & non Jews as a "Second Holocaust" so the obsession of some Jews with maintaining Jewish racial purity remains.
since Wall Street Republicans financed much of Hitler's war machinery, it is a good bet that they know the whereabouts of those victims: https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler-3.pdf too bad so little post war Congressional investigative work was done along those lines
booooring.... most people know the Holocaust happened. that will never change. the Nazis were pure evil, and will always represent, in most peoples' minds, the essence of pure evil.
What will it take to get Hoosier and Ronstar to address the issue of the soap made from human fat and lampshades made from human skin? http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-are-the-missing-jews.558565/#post-1070772114
What is so "booooring" to you? I just showed where the German Zionist Federation shared the same views on racial purity as the Nazis which you regarded as a "wild claim". I also showed that cremation leaves skeletal remains and teeth which is an additional fact about which you were mistaken. You cannot answer 3 simple questions I have repeatedly posed & cited on a related thread: 1. Where are all the homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared? 2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals? 3. Why are there no reports of seeing the most noteworthy symptom of cherry red skin by any of the quoted survivors and "gas chamber" eyewitnesses ?(1), (2), (3) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Now you mistakenly claim that most people know that the holocaust happened when the ADL has found that only 54% of people around the world have even heard of the holocaust and a vast majority do not believe the standard holocaust narrative as you do: ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust. 54 percent. This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED Just because you have repeatedly been proven to be mistaken doesn't mean that this thread has become boring. (1)"Johns Hopkins" http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet Signs and Symptoms EXCERPT "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color." CONTINUED (2) "Cyanide Toxicity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/ EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth" https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED
what parts of the world have been sampled? ... all first world countries or a mix including the no real education of the third world countries? ... edit ... just checked your link ... did they survey remote Amazon tribes as well? ... you're a fraud ... but thanks for playing ...
denying the Holocaust when all the evidence points to millions of missing Jews and an evil regime that sought a "final solution to the jewish question". you still can't explain what happened to more than 4.5 million Jews in Poland when only 300,000 remained after the war. all you have given us, is very baseless speculation and lots of evidence-free "what ifs????"
The survey that shows that most of the people throughout the world do not believe the standard holocaust narrative was done by the Jewish ADL. The graphs from the article show that for each geographic area, people simply don't believe the inflated numbers & grisly fantasies promoted by the truly fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1) that attempts to exaggerate the number of "holocaust survivors" for easy money. Re: Normally, I would report your vapid comment for Name Calling but I prefer to leave it simply to show that defenders of the fraudulent standard holocaust narrative have only insults and fictional stories as their stock in trade. "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
I've repeatedly accounted for your fictional "missing Jews" who simply joined the millions of other "Displaced Persons" who migrated to other countries or returned to defeated Germany after WW 2. Re: What "evidence"? You've only based your beliefs on the stories of a few people who contradict each other, grossly inflated, impossible numbers and a "found" blueprint that is regarded as fake by experts in the field and notes that the so called "gas chamber" is really: " a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas,"(1) There is no execution order from Hitler for a "Final Solution", no homicidal gas chambers, no huge mass graves(2) commensurate with the number of claimed victims as with other mass killings and no hard evidence to support the lucrative fictions that comprise the bulk of holocaust lore. Finally, you ignore the innumerable eyewitness accounts that contradict the profit driven standard holocaust narrative. For an example of holocaust survivors who tell a different story, you need only look at the following video: "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony" https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony As the ADL survey I posted earlier shows, far more people in the world do not believe the inflated numbers and grisly stories told by innumerable frauds eager for easy money and instant fame: "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html (1) "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp" https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721 EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz, Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work. Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED (2) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
there are no post-war data, statistics, census data that can confirm any of this. what we do have is data showing around 18 million Jews before the war and around 12 million after the war. This number has barely gone up since then. 11 million Jews in Europe before WW2, 5 million after the war, and millions left for the USA and Israel after that. today there are only 1.5 million Jews left in Europe.
Hey Shinebox I'd like to hear your view on the issue of the lampshades made of human skin and the soap made of human fat too. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-are-the-missing-jews.558565/#post-1070772114 This seems to have Hoosier and Ronstar checkmated.
You're just pulling conveniently fictitious numbers out of the air after "Scott" has been kind enough to provide a supported accounting of missing Jews in his Posts #3 & #4 of this thread that refute your fictitious numbers of "missing Jews". Additionally, you've failed to account for the 6.5 million Jews currently residing in Israel that were not there before WW 2. Finally, the most significant number in debunking the "missing Jews" myth are the 4.5 million Jews (1), (2) that were under German control at the highest point of the 3rd Reich. Meanwhile, 4.3 million claims(1) have been made against the post war German government. As I've repeatedly explained, just because the Germans occupied a country does not mean that they controlled its entire population and land mass. I'm still waiting for you to be able to answer the three questions I posed in Post # 41. Your inability to do so simply confirms the fraudulence of the standard holocaust narrative. (1) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government)"CONTINUED (2) "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control EXCERPT "If there was one group which would have been interested in establishing exactly how many Jews were under German control, it would have been the Nazis themselves. In this regard, the official German records offer an astonishing insight. The Nazis estimated that the maximum number of Jews under their control at the Reich’s height was no more than 4.5 million—and they would have had no particular reason to lie or exaggerate. Figures produced by the German government and submitted to the famous Wannsee Conference in January 1942, listed the following numbers of Jews in territories under Nazi control:"CONTINUED
only 2.2 million European Jews moved to Israel from 1949 to 2015 that in no way accounts for the 4.5 million missing Jews in Poland, and at least another million missing Jews from other parts of Europe. Plus the fact that only 1.5 million Jews remain in Europe, after 5 million remained after WW2. its called MATH
sorry but this is 100% false. At the height of Nazi power, at least 9 million Jews were under direct Nazi control. this is according to the numbers listed in the Wannsee Conference. its really a shame that you keep posting the same debunked claims over and over again, forcing me to repeatedly educate you about the TRUTH regarding Holocaust statistics. and of course you will claim that just because the Nazis occupied a country doesnt mean they had full control of all their Jews. but by that logic, the Jews of Poland, Germany, Austria, Bohemia, France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg were ALSO not under Nazi control, making your 4.5 million number null & void. you see @Grau, I have facts on my side, and you simply cannot win. but go ahead, keep making the same defeated arguments, over and over and over again, ad nauseum ad infinitim. I or someone else will just come back at you 5 minutes later with facts that rip your theories to shreds.
