Where are the missing Jews?

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  1. bigfella

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    A few when she was very young, but then they all disappeared. Nobody knows where they went. Quite the mystery.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There were a ton of atheist jews in the Russian Revolution and whose descendants have no idea. It wasn't such a good idea to let it be known, especially in ethnic Russian commie circles.
     
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    No one who actually looks at their arguments will believe this.

    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

    You're using rhetoric to try to move those viewers who don't take the time to look at the research.


    And there would be no anomalies. Anyone who looks at the alternative research will see there are a lot of anomalies that prove that the moon missions were faked, the US government planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks and that there were no gas chambers, soap made of human fat, or lamp shades made of human skin. I'd like to hear your view of this issue.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-concentration-camps.559321/#post-1070824894

    This should make an objective truth-seeker suspicious at least. Go over to that thread and we can talk about it.


    Check out this video.

    The Zionist Story. (Full Documentary)


    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+zionist+story
     
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    Then your position is that the Holocaust, the moon landings and the 9/11 attacks all involve vast conspiracies.
    I pointed out a few critical problems with those conspiracy theories that would make it impossible for them to have worked. You reject my arguments, and I appreciate your forthright defense of your position.

    Of course, I think you are wrong for the reasons I gave you.
    It is important to know where people stand.
     
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    Make your arguments without personal attacks against members of the forum.
    Give the moderators a break.
     
  7. Grau

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    Sifting through your "Posts" and expecting to find anything other than verbose, angry, evasive & insulting tantrums is like cleaning the cat's litter box and expecting to find a silver dollar.

    The net result is always the same bag of odious & offensive s**t.

    The morgue in question was never a homicidal gas chamber because it lacks space for an adequate ventilation system and the fact that the drain is tied into the drains of the surrounding structures.

    Your claim that the morgue was a "prototype" of a homicidal gas chamber is laughable for the same reasons I have outlined before.
    Real homicidal gas chambers have been in existence long before WW 2 so the Nazis had no need for a "prototype"

    The relatively few people in the world(1) who believe the standard holocaust narrative always refer to "mountains of evidence and reams of documents" however when asked to produce just one of the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers needed to gas millions of people, the answer is always the same" "Oh, they were all destroyed."

    When asked to produce anything resembling an order for a "Final solution", the answer is similar: "Oh, it hasn't been found."
    There's a good reason that it hasn't been found; it was never issued(2)

    When asked to produce evidence of mass graves commensurate with 6 million deaths the answers become even more ludicrous if they are answered at all.
    Meanwhile, the $100,000- reward for evidence of mass graves at the so called Reinhard remains unclaimed (3)

    Where are the "millions" of bodies from the so called Reinhard camps, "Jonsa".

    Finally, I rarely read your "comments" because they have remained the same bellicose, off topic slander I have debunked over the years.

    I will address your confusion over the color of cyanide poisoned victims:

    I tried your one and only "source" you cited and it is invalid.

    If you expect any credibility in your sources you will provide working sources and your addition of "PEER REVIEWED" fools no one.

    On the other hand, my three sources that indicate the likely presence of cherry red skin are readily accessible (4),(5),(6) and the bulk of the literature on cyanide poisoning confirms that characteristic.

    If even half of your so called "gas chamber victims" had cherry red skin, why didn't any of your fraudulent "gas chamber eyewitnesses " comment on that remarkable feature?



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


    (4) "Johns Hopkins"
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet
    Signs and Symptoms
    EXCERPT
    "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color."
    CONTINUED



    (5) "Cyanide Toxicity"
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

    EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED


    (6) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth"
    https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm

    1. EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED
     
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    It makes sense that since you cannot refute a single fact I've written & supported with credible sources you'd do what most deluded holocaustians do; resort to slander & off topic character assassination.

    As I have noted frequently, the vast majority of people in the world(1) do not believe the holocaust fictions that dominate MSM so you and a handful of gullible holocaust cult members are in the dwindling minority since younger generations, too, reject the fraudulent holocaust narrative.


    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates


    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/
     
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    Follow your own advice.
     
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    I have already forced you to concede that the Nazis controlled enough of the Jewish population of Europe to murder the numbers claimed by reputable historians. That brings us neatly back to the subject of the thread, for which you have not produced anything remotely resembling a credible answer. In fact, you spent pages repeating the same untruths and throwing up red herrings rather than tackle that crucial question head on.

    You know that those people were killed, but you cannot bring yourself to admit it, so you pedal absurd theories & misrepresentations.

    Holocaust deniers have no character, so it cannot be assassinated.

    .....and once again you trot out the same old tripe as if it actually proves something about the holocaust.

    The majority of people in the world believe in magic, invisible deities and a list of other foolish & contradictory things. Why on earth would I care what they think about a specific question of fact or history? if I want to know about a specific historical event I will look to such documentation & eyewitness testimony as exists and to the work of historians. I can understand why you would choose to ignore those in favour of liars, anti semites, conspiracy theorists and people who are either ignorant of basic facts or prejudiced.
     
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    Re:
    Where are the bodies?

    $100,000- says they're not at the so called Reinhard camps so why do so few exist?
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reference to Jonsa's post:
    Dear Grau, you hit the nail on the head! LOL!!! A great analogy!
     
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    You keep spouting the same old bullshit. The morgue had a ventilation system, they began tested the process there and then converted the red cottage and built the others in Birkenau.

    As for this idiotic fallacious nonsense about no need for a prototype, you ignore the mountains of evidence of the nazi's experimenting with gassing as a mass murder methodology. But hey, why bother with all that nonsense.



    [quoteThe relatively few people in the world(1) who believe the standard holocaust narrative always refer to "mountains of evidence and reams of documents" however when asked to produce just one of the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers needed to gas millions of people, the answer is always the same" "Oh, they were all destroyed."

    When asked to produce anything resembling an order for a "Final solution", the answer is similar: "Oh, it hasn't been found."
    There's a good reason that it hasn't been found; it was never issued(2) [/quote]

    The handful of jew haters and nazi apologists who think the holocaust is a hoax and deny the deliberate genocide of the nazis also think the nazis would have been too stupid to destroy as much of the evidence of their crimes as possible. Seems the nazis share something with the deniers.

    Evidence of mass graves? I guess you haven't been keeping up with the Treblinka studies that located three mass graves of human ash.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181105091802.htm

    BTW, I went to the site to submit a claim for the $100K but guess what, there isn't any way to submit a claim. Gee I wonder why?

    And operation Reinhardt only murdered a tad over a million jews. And mass grave evidence has been found in each location. But of course you ignore facts.

    Yes bellicose and not at all off topic and considering what I say is true it can't be slander.

    I

    If you expect any credibility in your sources you will provide working sources and your addition of "PEER REVIEWED" fools no one. [/quote]

    Ad hom dismissal of a credible source with links is of course par for the course for you. It fools no one for damn sure.

    I get how you must cling to this even when presented with the facts of the matter because you can't differentiate between long term expose thru contact or ingestion and short term lethal inhalation.

    And NONE of the gas chamber victims would have evinced cherry red skin. Bluish tinge from anoxia, not enough exposure to create the chemical burn of prolonged skin contact, nor of prolonged exposure thru ingestion. THAT IS SCIENCE/



    I see what you are saying.

    HITLER WAS SO STUPID HE WOULD HAVE WRITTEN DOWN AN ORDER FOR GENOCIDE IF HE REALLY WANTED TO ERASE THE JEWS FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.




    (3) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED [/quote]

    FRAUD SITE WITH FRAUD OFFER. JUST THE RIGHT KIND OF DENIALIST BULLSHIT.
     
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    I've been confronting denialists since the 80's and I can tell you that virtually every denier uses those tactics and standard talking points.

    I am familiar with all of the prominent "revisionist scholars", their motivations, their "research" and their arguments. I also know how full of crap they are.

    I have notice that this new generation of deniers don't really refer back to the mental giants of denialism like Leuchter, Krege, Ball, and Rudolph, perhaps because of how full of crap they all were.


    The apocryphal stories of human soap and skin lampshades has LONG ago been debunked.

    It is only natural that all kinds of rumors, contemporary "common knowledge", lies and wild arsed accusations would arise in the aftermath. But fortunately actual real scholarship by tens of thousands of accredited historians and scientists has cleared up a great deal of that mess.

    OTOH, those same scholars are universal in their agreement that the Nazis carried out a plan of deliberate genocide and managed to murder millions.







    relevance? oh right none.
     
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    Where did all the Jews go? There is a great deal of eyewitness & documentary evidence that they were killed by the Nazis. I don't have to prove a thing. You have to show what happened to them. You can't, so you resort to distraction & repetition.
     
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    What "...eyewitness & documentary evidence..."?

    Gullible individuals who blindly believe the cherry picked survivor stories assume that all survivor stories recite the same fictions about "homicidal gas chambers", bashing babies and routine beatings of the workers at the camps.

    In fact, the survivor stories that do not adhere to the Holocaust Industry's official narrative are repressed, censored and ignored by MSM.

    The following contains eyewitness testimony that contradicts the nonsense espoused by the innumerable holocaust frauds who stick to the Holocaust Industry's script:

    "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony
     
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    As usual you ignored the fact that the morgue you claim was a "gas chamber prototype" has a drain that is connected to the drains of the other structures and therefore would never have been used as a gas chamber.

    That simple fact along with the absence of any space for a way to induce and safely exhaust the highly toxic gas means that the morgue could never have been used as a homicidal gas chamber.

    Another "Jonsa" fiction debunked.


    Re:
    Typical "Strawman" holocaust hyperbole.

    Firstly, far more people reject the standard holocaust narrative(1) than are either gullible enough to believe or are driven to pander holocaust fictions for political or spiritual/cult reasons.

    The reason they reject inflated holocaust "statistics" and grisly holocaust fantasies is not because they hate Jews or are sympathetic to the Nazi cause.
    They reject them because they are impossible lies generated by a fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2) for self enrichment and quick & easy fame.


    Re:
    Nonsense.

    I noticed that you were too ashamed of the title of your "source" to post it:

    "Ground-penetrating radar reveals potential mass grave sites from the Holocaust"

    I've got some "potential" mass graves in my back yard. LOL

    Meanwhile Richard Krege and a team from Australia used GPR, took core samples & used augers in all the locations claimed to be mass graves at Treblinka and found nothing:

    "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html
    EXCERPT "A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there."CONTINUED

    AND

    "No Bodies Found at Treblinka"
    http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html


    Still another slurry of "Jonsa" falsehoods debunked.


    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
     
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    Can't answer the question. Won't answer the question. Launches into yet another repetitive distraction.

    Where did all the Jews go?. You have conceded that something like 8 million Jews were under direct Nazi control during the war. Only a fraction of those were present in Europe after the war. You have made no serious attempt to explain this because you know that you can't.
     
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    Nonsense, cyanide has the same chemical reaction regardless of how it is ingested and many of those killed via homicidal gas chamber would have exhibited a cherry red skin color according to my FOUR sources:

    (1)"Johns Hopkins"
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet
    Signs and Symptoms

    EXCERPT
    "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color."
    CONTINUED



    (2) "Cyanide Toxicity"
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

    EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED



    (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth"
    https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm

    1. EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED

    (4) "Cyanide poisoning"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_poisoning

    EXCERPT "A cherry red skin color that changes to dark may be present"CONTINUED
     
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    What eyewitness testimony? How about Eichmann? How about Hoess? How about Suchomel? How about Kramer?

    All good nazis all. They had no trouble admitting to doing their jobs and exterminating jews et.al

    Oh wait, of course it was all fake confessions. You guys truly lame and entirely predictable.
     
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    I have not conceded that 8 million Jews were under Nazi control and I already asked you to show where the bodies are.

    Therefore it is you who are avoiding the question.

    Where are the 6 million bodies?
     
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    "Confessions" obtained by torture are inadmissible in any legitimate court of law and the Suchomel "confession" is, indeed, clearly fake to all but the most fanatic & gullible of holocaustians.

    Your desperation is showing & I'm finished debunking your fictions for the day.


    "The Suchomel “Confession” in Claude Lanzmann’s “Shoah” Movie"
    http://peterwinterwriting.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-suchomel-confession-in-claude.html

    EXCERPT "Most importantly however, the interview with Suchomel was clearly done with more than one camera—directly contradicting Lanzmann’s claims in theNew York Times. A stationary, hidden camera in a bag would only show one angle of a “secret” interview—but instead, as can be seen from the screenshots below, there are at least four different camera angles, each taken at differing focal lengths and perspectives—something that would be impossible with just one “hidden camera.”

    It is clear from this narrative alone, that even if Lanzmann did not tamper with the fuzzy film “interview”, all that Suchomel said was the typical “do-not-deny-it-happened-but-just-deny-that-I-was-involved” type confession which was the only way to avoid being caught up in further legal trouble in post-war Germany."CONTINUED
     
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    Still confused about the mythical "missing Jews"?

    I do not dispute that Jews were among those persecuted, interred in work camps and occasionally executed. I simply reject the profit driven inflation of casualties promulgated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry.

    "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259.

    The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee.
    Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."

    How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
     
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    Yes you have, you just want to play along the denials for a bit longer to distract from your inability to answer the question of the missing Jews. After repeated attempts you finally admitted that Germany controlled Ukraine & Hungary during WW2. According to figures that you accepted as accurate this would have given the Nazis direct control over 8 million Jews.

    The very fact that you made repeated posts acting as if Nazi Germany didn't have control over these populations is a reminder to anyone unfamiliar with holocaust denial that its very foundation is lies & misrepresentations.

    You are the one who needs to prove something, not me. Where did the Jews go?
     

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