Active Shooter Situation In El Paso, TX, Police Have 'Reports Of Multiple Shooters'

You would be very welcome to several beers and midwestern hospitality at my rural homestead, the same as my very liberal brother who has spent most of his working career training Saudi's in the ME and in the US as a journalist. We just refrain from talking politics.

I own many pistols and rifles. There is quite a lot of wildlife at my backdoor. I enjoy watching deer roam freely on my land. I don't hunt. It's their sanctuary.

In urban settings like most large cities in Australia you may not have as much a need for guns as we do in many parts of the USA. Today, this thread was about a shooting in Texas. The state population is 29.09 million. The entire population of your country is 25,110,800 with 85% of your citizens living in urban areas yet your land mass is about the same as the USA. I don't know much about AU but I'm not sure I would feel comfortable in the outback without a firearm for self defense. In Sydney, maybe not so much.

 

Thanks Good Sir. But, I could not resist. It's the Aussie in me.

Great. And make no mistake, I quite like plinging away. Clapped out .22 S&W revolver at 25 yards.

Well.......these events over several decades and mirrored today in the USA within 24 hours has nothing to do with where you'd be most safe here. Hundreds of thousands of Aussies travel the outback without harm There are rare exceptions, but no-one has been slaughtered there with a weapon of mass domestic destruction.

 

You pretty good with paper. I enjoy shooting targets also but my eyesight has become a problem. I carry concealed, usually a Walther PPS 9mm when traveling (or at a Walmart) but will holster a Kimber 1911 .45, 5" bbl. if I'm out trail riding. I also have a couple .22's for plinking if you prefer.

You mentioned difficulties of owning a gun in AU. It's really not so different here in large cities like NYC or Chicago, even LA. Permits in NYC are issued on a May Issue basis. Very difficult to obtain for most. Federal firearms regulations are more or less a framework, sort of like the US Constitution. Some States can and do impose more stringent firearm regulations and restrictions. Usually state regulations are tightened after a shooting if their constituents moods will tolerate them. My state is more gun friendly than most.

 

All of the above. But there is an awful terrible tragic record over decades. People are being slaughtered and the delivery is a weapon of mass domestic destruction. It can not be ignored. It has to be stopped.

 

You think antifa is an organic spontaneous like minded group of individuals. It's not. It's funded and organized by progressives. That's beyond egging on.

 

He espouses progressive thought. Read the manifesto. If real it suggests his political ideology leans left.

 

Psychoactive drugs freely prescribed. Frankly, it's the one thing I see that jibes with the explosion of mass shooting evevts.

 

Americans will never willingly give up their guns in most parts of the country. Besides being the culture of people in too many states, there are probably as many illegal guns as legal, many million. Criminals won't give up their guns either. We pass modern conceal carry gun laws so people can feel safe.

AR/AK rifles may be debated but most are possessed for sporting and hunting use by law abiding citizens. There are many millions of them too both legal and illegal that won't be given up without a civil war. Even then one side will keep their weapons.

Because we have many freedoms most countries don't, mental health records are guarded for privacy, way too much IMO. Most of the mass shootings are the result of crazy people or terrorists. Mass shooting make news. Shootings in city slums with illegal firearms occur every day, much more frequently in nearly every medium and large city, usually over gang turf and or drugs. We need to stop the source of crime before we will ever be able to eliminate the weapons used in crimes.

So, take your gun model or Sweden's and multiply it by, oh about 14 or 15 times, just for the legal firearms in this country and maybe it will help to understand how infeasible it would be for us to give up guns in the USA.

 

Sorry, I meant.
Odds of being shot by a criminal with a gun in a Maryland walmart, or anywhere. Pretty slim.

 

Nope. I'll take the challenge and I suggest that in time, because of these events of today which mirror those of many decades, time will prove me right. The time is now, but I accept that the USA is not yet ready to draw a line. How many must perish?

 

Oh, did I mention that 9 were killed and several injured in Dayton Ohio overnight. It was in the Orleans district. A place with a lot of bars and clubs. No news yet why.

The Texas murders will be investigated by the FBI as a hate crime.

I said multiply by 14 or 15. Actually it would have to be by 50 since we have states rights as well as federal laws. Ohio might react to mass shootings different than Texas, depending on the circumstances.

 

The numbers are very few compared to bombings and murders that take place in many countries we have fought in and were terrorists kill and maim many more with impunity. Federal gun control here is unpopular, requires constitutional amendments and will be a losing campaign issue. I guarantee it.

 

Apparantly you think otherwise.

So, tell us who heads antifa, where their offices are, document where their money comes from, and who they’re affiliated with.

Just making something up because it’s what Trumpsters repeat to one another while bobbing their heads won’t cut it.

 

Oh I know. But.....one day 2A will go and there goes your guns. The upside is...taking just today into account.....30 of your fellows would be alive and about 50 would not be wounded because two American bastards had access to a weapon of mass domestic destruction. What number is your limit? Mine is.....zero.

 

As a typical lib gun grabber you “zeroed” in on the weapon used

But here in America the left is going after bigger game

That want to demonize white people along with the gun

 

Having a legitimate reason for a carry permit does not make one "elite."

Yes, the proliferation of guns also contributes to the number of fatal gun accidents and suicides and, on extremely rare occasions, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, are used in self defense.

Despite your personal opinion, the empirical data is what it is:

State firearm death rates, 2016. Rate per 100,000 population

Maryland 11.9

W. Virginia 17.5

Generally, states that are less permissive have fewer firearm fatalities:

State firearm murder rates, 2016, per 100,000 population

Alabama 21.5
Alaska 23.3
Arkansas 17.8
Kentucky 17.5
Louisiana 21.3
Mississippi 19.9
Missouri 19.0
Montana 18.9
Oklahoma 19.6
South Carolina 17.7
Tennessee 17.1
West Virginia 17.5
Wyoming 17.4

Massachusetts 3.4
Connecticut 4.6
Hawaii 4.5
New Jersey 5.5
New York 4.4
Rhode Island 4.1


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Please listen to this snippet between Brett Weinstein and Jordan Peterson from a few years ago. They were warning against the rise of white nationalism as a response to the identity politics of the left. They also state that the threat from white nationalism is more dangerous than than the threat from the left because the groups on the left are artificially put together and are therefor a fractured coalition.

There has been a rise in white nationalist violence. This is how civil wars start. Terrorist attack, increased government repression, increased terrorist attacks, more government repression, open warfare. It seems to me that these white nationalists are engaging in violence in an attempt to get the government to confiscate guns (the New Zealand shooter openly stated this). They think that if they can get that to happen, open insurrection and civil war will follow. If you are on the left and you support the confiscation of guns by the government, are you willing to risk open insurrection and civil war to do it?

 

Are they some special sort of human too?

 

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In a nutshell, 2A represents the cost of freedom. It is what we have fought for in every war since our war of independence. It is as important as our first amendment. Look at all the reasons for why we have fought in modern times since the US civil war. It has always been to preserve democracy of our country or our allies. Since the end of WWII we fought against communist regimes in Korea and later in Vietnam. We (with the help of Australia) have always been strongly in agreement on most policy except our 2A which your constitution never declared as a Right, that Shall Not be Infringed on. Ever.

BTY: https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-australia/

 

Why negotiate with a ****ing foreigner over our gun rights in America?

 

I would say that is correct and has been our stance since declaring independence from the Brits. Hitler of course had an impact on us as well. After getting burned a couple times, it tends to make us more situationally aware.

 

And another 9 dead this morning. No idea if this was related to last night yet but if so, that's not a good sign. Coordinated attacks would suck.

 

Some liberals may have certain redeemable qualities?
At any rate It's not negotiation, it's more about education.

 

Can someone here who speaks her language confirm what the witness in this video she is saying? Subtitles indicate witness saw 4 men in black clothing with guns doing the shooting.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GHvFMCKLxM4/