Brexit: how do voters feel about the EU now?

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    The UK has to have a no deal exit in order to get a new deal with anyone, little lone the EU.
    Why should the EU force UK to only go for their deal while the UK is bound by the Lisbon Treaty?

    If you want a better deal, walk away, and shop around the globe, and see what the EU will offer the UK after a no deal Brexit.
     
  2. Montegriffo

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    Yeah, sod the economy so long as you get your dishonestly won, tiny majority, Brexit.

    The result was wrong and was obtained with blatant lies.
    £350 million a week for the NHS on the side of a bus being just one of them.
     
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    Right, tear up all the trade deals we have with around 140 countries around the world and start from scratch under WTO reg's.

    Maybe you think that the construction industry is immune from the uncertainty and loss of investment that would cause and the tariffs of up to 40% on the food we import won't effect you?
    Boy you're in for a shock if you ever get your way.
    Just stick your fingers in your ears and keep shouting project fear and everything will work out OK.
     
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    We don't have any trade deals, the EU does, we don't.
    I say leaving with a deal locking us to the EU is not leaving the EU.
     
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    The EU should be at the back of the queue for a deal with the UK since its deal was rejected.
    You claim no one voted to leave the EU without a deal, but then I just think you're a remainer who doesn't understand the EU isn't the world. WTO is better than EU.

    EU are like the third reich and I'm glad UK's leaving the EU. It's insulting to say we can't have a better deal than spitting the UK up and locking us to the EU.
    As the Prime Minister said when he took office; no self respecting country could accept such an awful deal as to lock us into it without a vote at the table and to tare up the UK leaving Northern Ireland in the EU for the sake of Sinn Fein.

    **** Sinn Fein running in Belfast anyway, that's UK, not Ireland and I regard that party as foreign as any other non UK political party.

    To respect the Good Friday agreement, Ireland should not try to annex UK.

    I say tare up that deal up since it's now as dead as the backstop, erect a border, and sign a new deal that says anyone who attacks the peace of the border is a terrorist, end of.
     
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  6. Montegriffo

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    Ever heard of Godwin's law?
     
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    You're right, Adolf Hitler did invent the idea of a united Europe, what of it?

    The EU flag is as oppressing as the swastika. - that's how I feel about the EU now, and I voted to remain in the EU as did London, but even I woke up to their third Reich ways; progressive socialists trying to tell countries in Europe how to be, fly their flag - **** the EU.
     
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    Not leaving is the best of all possible options.
    I notice you never respond to any of the points made about the consequences of no deal. Any particular reason for that?
     
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    Yeah, I'm aware your opinion is based on feelings and not facts.
    Don't worry, you're not alone amongst Brexiteers in that.
    No way to determine how to vote on the most devisive and most important issue since WWII but I'm sure it makes you feel justified.
     
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    We're leaving with no deal, and it seems no one can stop the government.
     
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    Why? So unskilled workers can live and settle in the UK?
    Or so I get can get to settle in some backwards EU country?

    At least leaving means no freedom of movement for uneducated people.
     
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    You are wanting chaos. why? see the quote I left from Bannon. However you are wrong in believing it cannot be stopped. What needs to be done is that Parliament calls a vote of No confidence when it returns and then there is a General election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-is-boris-johnsons-central-scenario-eu-told

    It can be done. The question is whether the Government is more scared of No Deal or a possible Corbyn Government. I think that fear is the only thing which will make No Deal happen. That is one thing - the other

    That sounds not very different to the idea they had before of shutting down Parliament so that they could act as a Dictatorship and push this through. Johnson of course is being funded by Hedge funds who have bet a lot of money on the companies they expect to crash. This is not something for the people. It is the one time I have seen the wisdom in the phrase someone here used to use all the time. Those supporting this are being used as 'useful idiots' and I do not say that to be rude I say that because it is what I believe.
     
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    Again, you have not heard what I said. I am not interested in going off on your detour.
     
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    If we were forced into a deal with the EU, that would be wrong.
     
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    Parliament can and will stop a no deal Brexit.
    All the hardball Boris is currently spouting is his attempt to stop the flow of votes to the Brexit party.
    Same with today's promise of funds for the NHS.
    He's paving the way for a general election not a hard Brexit as you hope.
    You're being mislead again and still don't seem to realise it.
     
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    Any general election will fall after October 31st, that's what I've been hearing all day, and that Labour have missed the boat.
     
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    That's an interesting thought. You used the word "damaging" (I assume you are confining your thoughts to purely ecomomic outcomes?), however, until the event is implemented there is no way of quantifying what that means - sure there have been fluctuations in the economy but is that just markets gambling on possible outcomes based on various models?. Then one has to determine over what time frame this "damaging" is pertaining too. So far in my limited terms of reference the country is implementing a strategy in order to manage the overarching principles of what the event will entail; the risk management strategy is a prudent exercise which may or may not be required. In economic terms one has to ask whether the UK business acumen and management style and level of experience is up to the job if not then perhaps a Darwinian event such as this may prove in the long term to be a good thing; sorting the men from the boys as it were. Provided there is no socialisation of corporate loss then one hopes that following such an event a stronger appreciate of international markets and supply chains and risk transfer methods may ultimately strengthen the UK business knowledge base and the UK economy as a whole.
     
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    I have bolded the bit that seems odd. Sign a new deal with who exactly, between which two or more entities?
    Erect a border is something I recognise would be the aspiration of the 17.4 million people who voted for brexit.
    Seeing as you know what you're talking about, where would you place the border on the Foyle peninsular, and what physical barriers would you place along 310 miles of land and water between the EU and the UK? How would that be monitored, and how would transgressions be dealt with?
    What would you do about properties that span the notional border that is there at the minute?
    What is your plan for one of the results of no deal, that without an agreement or arrangement all electric power would have to be shut off to Northern Ireland from the Republic of Ireland.
    What would you do about GPS technology and in particular Air Traffic, and air traffic controls over the Republic of Ireland and also the wider EU, without agreement of some kind, that kind of co-operation ceases?
    What would you do about the rules of the World Trade Organisation and it's restrictions?
    Who is the head of the WTO and how do they get elected?
    As a 'self respecting' citizen I imagine you have thought everything through, and won't respond with some kind of blanket insult as part of project blame.
     
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    Sure, but most likely caused by the failure to leave by then.
    Labour hasn't missed the boat, they're avoiding getting on it so they can place all blame for it sinking squarely on the Tories.
     
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    At the risk of snowcloneism ''it's the economy, stupid''
     
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    good word!! Had to look that up...
     
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    ...its US military...we get on quite well with them!
     
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    file a flight plan...same as usual really...loads of planes fly over the EU from countries without "a deal"...
     
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    That's hardily productive 'don't fix the problem but sit back and play the blame game' - they're just as much to blame for their lack of action.
     
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    UK/EU with UK in a better position to negotiate. - EU Canada have a deal, but Canada doesn't have to put up with freedom of movement or a customs union; Give something like that to UK/EU. - If not, UK can walk away into some North Atlantic free trade deal and start talking to USA and Canada.
    Do what they do in other properties (dare I say it, actual buildings and businesses) that sit on both the US/Canada border - Post 9/11, such a business just makes sure people leave out of the same door they entered (and yes, there is a line drawn down the middle). - If such a property sits on the UK/EU border in Northern Ireland/Ireland - just make sure (unless it's a field) that people don't enter in the EU and leave on the UK side and vice versa.
     
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