Another mass shooting deserves a better answer.

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    The ethnicity of Nevada and Massachusetts is similar. perhaps compare those two states?
     
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    Do you live in Scotland?
     
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    The car nuts outnumber the gun nuts. And as far as they are concerned there are no laws, regulations and the lives of other road users don't matter.
    So why are they 'allowed to own what is essentially a 5000 pound deadly missile?
     
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    nope.....south of the haggis munching line now...Medway Towns...down in Sarf England...what a crudhole...
     
  6. truth and justice

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    The common link is guns. Yep, guns are too easy to get by anyone.
     
  7. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Just waiting for someone to ask you what "sarf" is :wink:
     
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    They can all get knives, make bombs, get cars, poison, etc... easy too. What you are doing is molding the crime around the tool and not the cause.
     
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    And yet they don't, now why is that then?
     
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    Which is the mindless response that never addresses the root causes.
     
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    ...roughly translated from the local accent it means South...they speak weird d'an ere like mate...bunch of pikey chavs sharing the communal brain cell...
     
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    oi, I'm from there mate! I'm goin d'ain tain la'er
    o'right mate :)
     
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    I see about 80 people out of 320 million

    I bet the common thread is no church attendence, single moms, drugs, violent video games and attendence of the lib public schools
     
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    wot Chatham like!!....you ain't a chav are you??
     
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    The question is how it prevents murder. There are places with few gun restrictions and low murder. This is one issue that should bring both sides together, but few are willing to discuss solutions. The first thing I noticed was an attack on CCW holders. They are not committing murder.

    As we speak, a mentally unstable, young male, is planning a mass murder. Many already know who he is and like many of those who have already committed mass murder, the red flags are being ignored. No one wants to confront him or get involved, so the path of least resistance would be to focus on non-violent gun owners.
     
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    The Ohio shooter did NOT have a rapid fire weapon. He had a semi automatic weapon. He DID have a high capacity drum.

    High capacity is different than rapid fire.
     
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    Actually, they do. See London. See Boston. See China.

    Gun violence is way down, but you are a victim of the propaganda media. Did you know both murderers didn't like Trump? Is that news to you?
     
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    No, sorry I wasn't asking for a complete explanation. I am just looking for something specific I can wrap my mind around. "liberal education" seems oversimplified. Well, I guess what do you mean by liberal education? Like liberal arts, or progressivism posing as liberalism?

    I do agree it seems like something has been done to many kids today. I don't know what can explain this arrested development though.

    Did you ever have any friends that went to Hebrew school? They are told constantly that they are hated by most of the world, antisemitism is everywhere, and the holocaust can happen again any second if they let their guard down for even an instant. A couple told me that being told you are hated by society over and over, makes you sort of hate society back. However, they have a Jewish identity that they can rally around, so you don't see any Jewish mass shooters (at least I think). These WASP white kids are openly criticized in classrooms, on television, on the news, and even by politicians. And yet they have NO identity to rally around for a sense of protection or community. You can't organize around being white, not allowed to do that. The only identity they are allowed to have is American, which is also being degraded and criticized via those same mediums. Maybe they just feel lost and abandoned.
     
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    The purpose of a firearm is the application of force. What is the problem with applying force?
    The utilitarian case is gong to be tough to make here, because what is the utility of freedom? How do you measure that against human life? My ancestors thought freedom was worth many human lives, hence the American revolution. I am of the same mind.

    However, if you want to go down the utilitarian road of human lives, then what about abortion? It is unsafe for the fetus and has killed more than 50 million black babies. The purpose of the abortion is the application of force against the fetus. Maybe background checks and waiting periods for sex? Or do you understand that sometimes freedom is worth more than human lives in this context?


    If they are the same, then why the sudden increase? Seems odd. Also fertility is dropping, sperm counts plummeting, and there are many feminizing chemicals in our environment now like phytoestrogens and estrogen like compounds released by BPA plastics etc. Human beings are measurably not the same as we were a generation or 2 ago.

    Not particularly. I just headed off the most predictable response on a forum full of one liners. Being in a room with a gun doesn't make you more violent. Owning a gun doesn't make you more violent. Inanimate objects have no will or agency. Seems like common sense, but people want that to be true because it is simple and the solution does require a sacrifice from them personally. Most of the people who propose this as a solution, are very generous with other people's things and rights.

    You did not address the item you were responding to. What if it turns out to be proven, beyond all doubt, that divorce and single motherhood are causing a notable increase in violence? What sorts of solutions would you have? It appears just "get rid of them" is the solution you like...so abort 13 year olds or what? Or does this maybe require a little more thought?
     
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    Not similar if the white demographic is separated by ethnicity into Hispanic and Non-Hispanic. Some collections of data do that and some don't.

    So let's compare the 12 worst and 12 best based on murder rate:

    Worst 12 states by murder rate and their percentage of white non-Hispanic residents:
    MR = murders per 100,000 residents

    Louisiana MR 12.4 : 59% W
    Missouri MR 9.8 : 80% W
    Nevada MR 9.1 : 49% W
    Maryland MR 9.0 :51% W
    Arkansas MR 8.6 : 73% W
    Alaska MR 8.4 : 61% W
    Alabama MR 8.3 : 66% W
    Mississippi MR 8.2 : 57% W
    South Carolina 7.8 : 64% W
    Tennessee MR 7.8 : 74% W
    Illinois MR 7.8 : 61% W
    New Mexico MR 7.1 : 37% W

    Safest 12 states by murder rate and their percentage of white/non-Hispanic residents:
    MR = murders per 100,000 residents

    New Hampshire MR 1.0 : 91% W
    North Dakota MR 1.3 : 85% W
    Maine MR 1.7 : 94% W
    Idaho MR 1.9 : 82% W
    Rhode Island MR 1.9 : 72% W
    Minnesota MR 2.0 : 80% W
    Nebraska MR 2.2 : 79% W
    Vermont MR 2.2 : 93% W
    Utah MR 2.4 : 79% W
    Massachusetts MR 2.5 : 72% W
    Oregon MR 2.5 : 76% W
    Wyoming MR 2.6 : 84% W

    All data above obtained from:
    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/crime-rate-by-state/
    https://www.kff.org/other/state-ind...e&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}
    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/dc/washington/crime

    Please recall that the topic of this thread is "gun control" which would affect law-abiding citizens who never have and never will murder anyone. Makes no sense to restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens. Go after the criminals instead. Thank you.
     
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    Is any of that factual?

    According to the above, there are only 50 abortion clinics in the U.S., one in each state? Is that true?
    Does each state have a mandatory 48 hour waiting period?
    Does every woman have to have permission from her parents before she can get an abortion?
    A note from a doctor?
    Every woman that wants an abortion has to watch a video about the effects of abortion?
    Do the 50 states require a woman to walk through a gauntlet of yelling, screaming people holding photos of aborted babies?

    Really?
     
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    Seriously?.....Name the last guy that killed 22 people in a car?....Do it...Do it now
     
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    Oh thanks , that will make the families of the victims feel better
     
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    Meaningless emotional drivel.
     
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