Another mass shooting deserves a better answer.

The store in question prohibited the legal carrying of firearms by the public.

 

I understand...this is why I rarely interact on this topic or forum.

no..I don't like that argument. Wouldn't that depend on the situation...I mean when people "see red" they become irrational and the "inanimate" object as you refer to it suddenly becomes a means to vent ones anger.

weapons sir.

I have to confess that I don't understand a lot of your comments...for example...

...I'm at a loss...
Otherwise thanks for your interesting observations

 

If I choose to sell or gift a firearm to anyone, I have already considered whether or not they would be legally allowed to possess the firearm. Once it leaves my possession it is no longer my responsibility.

 

Go tell the families that..........Do it.....

 

I shouldn't be up to "you"......

 

Those demanding government action please read this.


https://www.rutherford.org/publicat...raconian_laws_precrime_the_surveillance_statehttps://www.rutherford.org/publicat...raconian_laws_precrime_the_surveillance_state

 

It has been done. Time and time again. And they are growing sick and tired of their losses being exploited for political gain, by those who see the bodies of their loved ones as a platform to stand on for the purpose of pushing a political narrative at all costs.

 

You ignored your post that I replied to. Why do US mass murderers choose guns over "knives, make bombs, get cars, poison etc", you know, where you wrote that?

Ps Knife crime rate and knife murder rate in the UK is the same as knife crime rate and knife murder rate in the US; your gun crime rate is much than that in the UK

 

The ethnicity of Nevada and Massachusetts is similar hence does make a suitable comparison as both have similar white percentages yet Nevada has a significantly higher murder rate especially by gun. This is a thread about gun control, not ethnicity. Massachusetts has stricter gun control than Nevada and it also has the disadvantage of being much more densely populated

 

Not according to this website: https://www.kff.org/other/state-ind...e&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}

Nevada 49% white, 9% black, 29% Hispanic
Massachusetts 72% white, 7% black, 12% Hispanic

 

What checks do you make to determine that they would be legally allowed to possess the firearm?.

And another gun added to the massive illegal gun arsenal, but no one cares.

 

So you have a link showing that the huge increase in gun crime in Nevada over Massachusetts is due to the additional 17% Hispanic? Clearly we have now shown that the massive increase is not due to the black population percentage as both states have the same percentage (7 -9)

 

Unless it was the gun that enraged them, I don't see how the gun caused it. Do you think one of these mass shooters would be against murder if the guns were gone, or are guns just the most convenient means to an end? If you kill 10 people, I don't care if you did it with a samurai sword, napalm, a pipe bomb, or a gun. It literally does not matter. The problem is that you wanted to kill 10 people and then acted on that.
To look at it another way, let's say hypothetically my neighbor had several extremely dangerous things in their house. Is that impacting you? It can't be, because you don't even know if my hypothetical is real or not. Maybe they really do. It will only impact you once someone with agency has acted. You can say at this point "then it would be too late" but this is the type of thinking that erodes your rights and how you get the Patriot act. We COULD let you have your privacy that you are constitutionally guaranteed, but then terrorism might happen. I am tired of giving away my rights for other people's shitty behaviors. It doesn't solve our problems, it just creates new ones.

Ah ok, you are misunderstanding me. The "item" in question was the premise you were responding to. Mac posted a premise about liberal education and single moms, you said "assuming that is true...", so I ran with that premise for a hypothetical. Basically, the real root of this will likely be something that conflicts with some other value we have or that requires reaching into people's personal lives. I am not sure how you even CAN address that without tyranny.

It makes more sense if you read the whole thing:
"What if it turns out to be proven, beyond all doubt, that divorce and single motherhood are causing a notable increase in violence? What sorts of solutions would you have? It appears just "get rid of them" is the solution you like...so abort 13 year olds or what? Or does this maybe require a little more thought?"


So in this instance I was asking what sorts of solutions would be reasonable if parenting or some other uncomfortable factor is responsible. You can't abort a 13 year old kid just because his mom got a divorce (at least I hope not!). So how do you regulate a concept like "single motherhood"?


Seriously, this seems really complicated and a simplistic solution may sound nice, but addresses nothing of substance. What if you don't want a bunch of Americans to WANT to kill a bunch of people? How do you address that? What measures would be reasonable when it isn't a simple solution involving just taking an object like you would from a child?

 

This year has been a very bad one for women's rights with respect to their bodies...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/31/us/abortion-clinics-map.html

 

We obviously need to look at more than just two states to come up with any useful conclusion. Would you not agree? Look at what you quoted in Post 234. See any correlations?

 

Just for the record, I am not against abortion. I just want to know which of the things alluded to in that meme are true and which are not. My first reaction is that it was complete over-the-top nonsensical hyperbole.

So which of these is true?

According to the above, there are only 50 abortion clinics in the U.S., one in each state? Is that true?
Does each state have a mandatory 48 hour waiting period?
Does every woman have to have permission from her parents before she can get an abortion?
Does an abortion require a note from a doctor?
Every woman that wants an abortion has to watch a video about the effects of abortion?
Do the 50 states require a woman to walk through a gauntlet of yelling, screaming people holding photos of aborted babies?

 

Why not?

 

Because you fear a gun doesn't make it illegal.

I follow the law whenever transferring ownership of a firearm, same as you.

 

do these mass shootings deserve an answer also? or no because they don't fit the narrative?

 

They all used a gun so what is your point? And those guns originally came from people like Sinnik who is happy that no checks or safe guards are needed when he passes his gun onto the massive illegal gun arsenal.

 

Just because it feels like most of those Democrats who were involved in Mass Shootings got their guns from a face to face sale doesn't mean they actually got their guns from a legal face to face sale.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

 

No point....I think I meant to post this one of those "blame whitey" threads, which this thread is not. Sorry

 

Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel killed 86 with a truck in Nice, France.
That's the only one with more than 22 fatalities but...
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/04/24/sunnyvale-crash-other-cases-when-cars-plowed-into-crowds/

 

Because you fear the "government" doesn't give you the right to obtain Weapons of War

 

Wow....Had to find an example in France....One............Find me 251 more (the amount of mass shootings in America) in just the last year