The difference is, their lies hurt. Like your insurance being cheaper and having one million shovel ready jobs just waiting for Obama to get elected. Ever sense Trumps cut taxes on business, the Democrats have been lying to us saying all he did was make his rich friends richer and all we got is scraps from the table. I have said many times that was a lie and that by cutting regulations and taxes, he has created a booming economy where millions of Americans have made out, not only by getting tax cuts, but by getting good paying jobs that Obama and Pelosi said was gone and not coming back. Well I finally found iron clad proof of what I've been saying is true and the Democrats and bias news lying. Take a look at what Apple's CEO said before the tax cuts and after and how much it helped America. Asked in 2016 if he would bring his billions in off shore billions home, he said no.( .Apple CEO Says Company Won't Bring Home Money Parked ... https://www.forbes.com/.../08/17/apple-ceo-says-company-wont... Aug 17, 2016 · Apple CEO Says Company Won't Bring Home Money Parked Overseas Until Tax Rates Are 'Fair'. Tech giant Apple is hoping that the United States' tolerance for pain is a little bit lower than mine. In an interview with The Washington Post last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook discussed his tenure at Apple and, not surprisingly,... But as soon as Trump got elected and cut regulations and taxes, Apple said this. Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/... A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes. Plus Creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ... https://www.theguardian.com/tec.../2013/nov/05/apple-creates... Apple creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ... Engineering and construction jobs at a new plant in ... The first Macintosh computer made in America since ...
A sad event makes you wonder if Marines are capable of thinking for themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_Creek_incident
Quite capable thank you. Much of what comes out of the Democratic Party and bias news are lies and half truths. Tell me, how has Trump's lies hurt you and I? If we had believed the big lie of the democrats and not had those tax and regulation cuts, we would still be stuck with Obama's 90% plus service economy. Another they have been telling is blaming Trump for the Texas killings. If anyone is to blame besides the shooter, it's the Democrats, along with the one in Ohio. Both and both they tried to pin on Trump.
I know all about the Ribbon Creek incident. I joined the Marine just three months after that happened and it has nothing to do with my thread.
Sorry for the sick humor. It was not about your thread as it was about the poster. I had just got out of the Army Airborne in 1955.
A misquote. I haven't seen anyone trying to 'pin' this on trump. Now if you want to talk about him 'contributing' to the shootings by his grade school rhetoric, that's a different story.
I went in in July of 1956 and got out in Nov. of 1959. All through boot camp I had to listen to that sucking DI threaten to march us all down to Ribbon Creek and drown us if we didn't shape up.
It's all over Face Book, Trump caused it with his big mouth. The man said he had no party affiliation but he was angry that so many Hispanics were pouring in here. It's been the Democrats preventing Trump from securing the border. Hell they have even been encouraging them to come in. If anyone is to blame for that shooting besides the shooter, it's the Democrats.
This is a ridiculous OP. You make the claim "Dems lie more than Trump and their lies hurt more" but then you only give on supposed lie as an example - which is not really a lie - and give no examples of Trump lies for comparison. No serious analysts debates the fact that the tax cuts benefited the middle class -at least short term. Nor however do they debate the fact that the tax cuts benefited the rich more - were skewed towards the rich. There is no doubt that the economy is doing "OK" under Trump. I would not however call GDP growth of 2% "booming" - nor is this growth attributable to the things you claim - to the degree to which you claim. What is difficult is to increase economic growth while reigning in spending and decreasing the deficit. Any idiot can spend like a princess with a credit card - increase the deficit to spur economic growth. While this does have an impact - it is like putting nitrous oxide into an engine - short term gains for long term losses. Now for some Trump lies. Trump has told numerous lies, half truths and falsehoods with respect to his trade war and with respect to sanctions. This is causing great harm to this nation. Your Apple examples are misleading. Apple has 124,000 employees. 2000 is nice but it is not a very large number for a company of that size. What you miss in this equation is the fact that large companies such as Apple are political animals - as such they are going to act on a political basis - to appease the Gov't of the day. Was this then a political stunt - or a systemic change (which is what you are claiming). I would argue mostly for the former. Your 38 Billion in taxes figure is misleading - Apple has 8 years to pay this - and the real question is "what did they get in return" ?
Aren't cops racists who hunt black guys for sport according to the left? Asking you since I think I remember you saying you were a cop.
The UNEMPLOYMENT RATE the day Dirty Donald took office was 4.7%,today it is 3.7%??? A WHOLE whopping 1% reduction since the day he took 9ffice.It went from a high of 11% at the height of the 2008 economic collapse peaking in 2010, down to 4.7% under Obama, in his 8 Years
Yeah, for 7 years. A different time in a different place. The proudest day of my life (up until then) was the day I got accepted on the police department. That quickly died after I had been there awhile. When I became embarrassed to admit what I did for a living I decided it was time to leave and I did. The nature of the job attracts a lot of undesirable people.
Shortcut math = So Obama got it down close to 1 % a year and trump got it down 1 % in 2 1/2 years and that gives trump bragging rights. That must be republican math.
Seems you missed this " A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment". That was in addition to the 2,000. Of course the tax cut benefited the rich. These factories wouldn't be coming back if they didn't. But Those tax cuts not only are giving millions more pay, but many are getting bonuses, and more benefits. If not now, when they file their taxes. But even that isn't the best part of the tax cut. What it is doing is bringing back many of the good paying jobs that left. Many manufacturing jobs that Obama and Pelosi said were gone and not coming back, are coming back and new ones are coming too. Why is that so important? Because about 90% of all the jobs created under Obama's policies, were either service jobs, or part time jobs. Most that didn't pay a living wage. Pelosi says that the tax cuts hurt the poor and middle class. No, part time and service jobs that don't pay a living wage hurts the poor and middle class.Yes, the rich will get richer, but if we keep getting these good paying jobs that are coming back, we get richer too. Not true under Obama. When those factories left, they took the good jobs with them. So the rich got richer by moving to countries who paid less wages, benefits and taxes. We got poorer by having service and part time jobs taking their place. That is the truth to it no matter what Pelosi says. She is lying.
It's not the unemployment rate as much as the jobs. Obama's policies created around 11 million jobs. But what kind of jobs were they? Over 90% of them were in the service industry and several million of them were part time jobs. America could not remain an economic and super power with jobs like that.
Umm...most of them were these kind of jobs. http://www.washdcjatc.org/wiremanprogram.cfm Back in 2010 it was $42 an hour, back in 2007-08 during the recession it was $32. So yea, those kind of jobs.
Is your insurance $2,500.00 cheaper? Can you keep your same doctor and plan? Where are those one million shovel ready jobs he said he had if elected? Did he have the most transparent administration of any other? Did he renegotiate NAFTA as he said he would? Did he stop no bid contracts as he said he would? Did he post all bills on the Internet before signing them as he said he would? Did he balance the budget in his first term as he said he would? Did he deport more illegals than any other administration as he said he did? Steel industry myth Obama bought into busted by PolitiFact - NWI Times,etc. Etc Did the steel companies put out as much steel under his administration as they ever did? Did he clear lobbyist out of his administration as he said he would? Did he close Gitmo as he said he would? Did he fix the VA as he said he would? Did he end the Iraqi war as he said he did? Was ISIS Jr. Varsity as he said they were? For those people saying that Trump's tax cuts are only crumbs and that the rich are the only ones to really benefit from the tax cuts, lets look at the whole picture. The little extra in people's pay check and at tax time is not the big selling point of this tax cut although it sure will help. It's' those tax cuts and cuts in the thousands of regulations that Obama put on that are bringing back millions of good paying jobs. Jobs that people can make a living off of and raise a family. Most of Obama's jobs were both part time and service jobs. Jobs people couldn't make a living off of. Even with the small corporate tax cut Obama gave, America still had the highest corporate taxes in the whole industrial world and tons of regulations. All that did is chase companies away. You don't think that made the rich richer by moving plants to lower tax and lower wage countries? It made them richer and Americans poorer by leaving us with millions of low paying service and part time jobs. Yes, the rich will get richer too with these tax breaks. But Americans will get richer too by having good paying jobs once again. By getting raises, bonuses and better benefits. So it's a lot more than a 1,000.00 or a couple of extra dollars each week. No matter which way you look at it, the rich would get richer, but there was only one way we got richer and that is bring back those good paying jobs and that is what Trump did. People have to look at the whole picture
Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ... www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/... Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama? Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/... Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs, The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants. In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery. “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?” The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said. But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million. HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low… 77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation... Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks. "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level. https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26 https://www.forbes.com/.../trumps-policy-magic-wand.../… But now that we're in the midst of a booming economy — which kicked in after Trump reversed almost all Obama's economic policies — we're supposed to believe that it's Obama who deserves all the credit. Yep. That's precisely what Obama and his Amen Chorus in the press want us to believe. In his speech in Illinois last Friday, Obama complained that Republicans were taking credit for his work. "When you hear how great the economy's doing right now, let's just remember when this recovery started," he said. "I mean, I'm glad it's continued, but … suddenly Republicans are saying it's a miracle." This week, White House Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Kevin Hassett wisely set the record straight. At a briefing on Monday, he noted that just about every important economic indicator showed the economy was stalling out in Obama's last year. Hassett explained that small business optimism had been on the decline before the November 2016 election. The percentage of businesses saying it's a good time to expand was, too. Business investment was stagnant. All those turned upward starting in 2017. Applications for new businesses are now well above the trend over Obama's entire second term, Hassett noted. And blue-collar jobs are growing faster than any time since the Reagan administration. Turnaround on GDP Growth There's more. The rate of GDP growth was decelerating in Obama's last year. It went from 2.3% in Q2, to 1.9% in Q3 to 1.8% in Q4 of 2016. Under Trump, GDP growth has averaged 2.9%. It was 4.2% last quarter and might be higher in the current one. The stock market also was stuck in neutral the year before the November 2016 elections. The Dow is up by some 45% since then. Real median family income didn't budge from August 2015 to November 2016, according to Sentier Research. It's up more than 4% since Trump came into office. Wages are on the upswing. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-trump-booming-economy/
The Trump Manufacturing Jobs Boom: 10 Times Obama's Over 21 Months The Great Recession officially ended in June 2009, six months into former President Obama’s first term. The economy continued to shed jobs until the following March. Manufacturing was particularly hard hit, with almost 2.3 million manufacturing jobs—some 1 in 6—lost between January 2008 and March 2010. As is the case during recoveries, jobs bounced back, with seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment expanding almost 12% from March 2010 until January 2017, when President Obama handed over the presidency to Donald Trump. But during the same period, manufacturing employment grew only 7.7% with manufacturing payrolls virtually flat in the last 21 months of the Obama administration. We were told it was the new normal. At a town hall in June 2016, President Obama famously said that some manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He went on to mock then-candidate Trump by saying he’d need a “magic wand” to make good on this manufacturing job promises. Months later, as the shock of a President-elect Donald Trump was still being absorbed, New York Times columnist and economist Paul Krugman tweeted on November 25, 2016, “Nothing policy can do will bring back those lost jobs. The service sector is the future of work; but nobody wants to hear it.”
From your link: "Disappearing manufacturing jobs have been a dominant issue on the campaign trail. Overall, manufacturing jobs have declined 122,000 since February 2009. But some blue collar jobs are growing, such as construction." " The typical middle class income in the U.S. is just over $56,000 a year. Economist Joseph Brusuelas of RSM, an accounting and audit firm, has taken a close look at jobs added in the Obama economy. He defines "high wage" as a job that has a median salary of $58,000 or more a year (so just above the median income). Yes, there are a lot of assumptions that go into a calculation like this. For example, earning $58,000 in Cleveland takes you a lot further than earning the same amount in New York or San Francisco. But it's a reasonable assessment of how good the jobs are are under the Obama economy. Brusuelas found that 47% of the jobs created since January 2010 (he argues that's when you start to see the effects of Obama's policies) have been in the high-wage category. " Hey look less government spending..Isnt that a good thing? 47%, thats not bad at all. And besides that, how many more high paid manufacturing jobs has Trump brought back? Pretty much what the article was complaining about.
I didn't miss that at all. When you build a new campus you create jobs - unfortunately however these are short term jobs .. and the 350 Billion "commitment" is just that - a "LONG TERM" commitment which means very little in the grand scheme of things given they were already planning to spend over 270 Billion. So we are talking about an extra 8 Billion/year over 10 years.. appreciated but not nearly as grand as it sounds - nor is it a sure thing. Its not that the tax cuts benefited the rich - its how much the tax cuts were skewed towards the rich. What has happened is that instead of using that money for creation of Jobs - these corporations have been doing things like share buybacks to benefit the shareholders (the elite) - not the workers. If you want to talk to me about some increase in factory jobs vs service - then post some statistics ... otherwise this is just talk. I agree with your Obama Service Job claim. I just do not see things being that much different now. The systemic issues that allow international corporations to funnel money out of the US have not been addressed. For example - Say a US company makes a shoe (all in costs of $30 dollars). If that shoe sells for $100 dollars the US company pays tax on $70 Dollars. If you are NIKE - manufacturing in some slave labor nation (assume the same $30 dollar cost) - what you do is sell that shoe to a numbered company affiliate in the Cayman Islands. That affiliate then sells the shoe to NIKE US for $90 dollars. Tax is then paid on $10 dollars instead of $70 dollars. All perfectly legal. Obama actually proposed to get rid of this loophole very early in his first term. The Establishment puppeteers then smacked him up side the head and that was the last we heard of that. Trump has not done anything to address this issue either. As stated previously - the various companies offering small carrots for political purposes is just that - lipstick on a pig.
