The stunning rise of costly obesity in America

Sure, but it's even CHEAPER to buy pasta and an inexpensive in-season vegetable to go with it, instead of the meat. And about 100 times healthier.

FTR, using the excuse of lack of time and/or lack of knowledge is cute, but no one is buying that. If you have time to watch tv, sleep, engage in any recreational or leisure activities at all, you have time to cook VERY easy and VERY quick healthy and inexpensive meals.

 

The food pyramid is absolutely correct. It's the model we see in all societies in which obesity rates are very low.

 

For the tenth time, that ONLY happens if you sit on your arse all day every day. Carbs are burned off so fast there's no way they can 'turn bad' - if you have normal healthy levels of movement.

Jesus people, have you not heard of China? Find me even a dozen obese people amongst the poor rural folk who live on rice. Go ahead ... I'll wait.

 

yes, we saw from the biggest loser if they exercise like crazy they can reduce their weight (but lower their metabolic rate) - but it's still not a healthy diet, if you want to eat high carbs, low fat that is your choice, but the science is starting to show lower carb\higher fat\moderate protein is the way to go

 

this country is following the food pyramid, not working so well for them

 

yes, I get it, we were all taught the high carb, low fat diet was best by the government for many decades, it will take time for some people to be open to low carb diets

"What you're doing is trying to find a chemical fix to subvert that process. It's a cheat .. and it'll kill you."

huh? I propose a whole foods natural diet, fresh meats, good fats, and natural low carb vegetables - one more like people used to eat

movement is important regardless of the diet you are on, as I said, exercise is healthy - but yes, if you have too much glucose in your system it's toxic, exercise would help your body get rid of it faster, but why not just not eat excess glucose instead of eating a toxic level of glucose\fructose in the first place, it's like an alcoholic that tries to find ways to drink more, many are addicted to sugar

 

Pasta puts on the pounds. I stay away from it. Pretty much any starchy food isn't so good for you. I look up recipes and do what they tell me. I try to make sure I have meat, vegetables and a small amount of starch like jasmine or some other rice. It's better than mashed potatoes. Thing is, without seasoning, rice is fairly bland.

 

Add a cube of chicken-stock to the water you employ to cook the rice.

Don't put in the rice for cooking until the cube has completely melted ...

 

How about trying to "educate our kids" with a sense of both Good Health and Good Civic Duty?

It just might do wonders. And, if we were to make Tertiary Education as low-cost as possible it could help remarkably. This is what Sanders convinced Hillary to accept into her campaign platform.

Its intent was to make a National Investment in the future of our children. What could be wrong with that? And the payback to Federal-coffers would be the increase in tax-revenues from people earning more money than had they not obtained a post-secondary degree!

As I have pointed out Multiple Times, the private-debt of post-secondary schooling is ranked as the largest debt of its kind.

And here is its comparative statistical history:

That's crazy! Why should post-secondary schooling debt cost more than auto-loan or credit-card varieties.

From the National Center of Education Statistics: Education Expenditures by Country

Now, I ask, how can anyone living presently under the Poverty Threshold ($25K/year income) possibly accept that debt to send a child to university???

Which is why the Poverty Threshold is a lifetime incarceration of people who committed no crime ...

 

Some well water has high iron content and will buckle you over at the waist in pain. Some city water tastes really, really bad.

Bottled water is far cheaper than pop for us locally. 8/10 of a cent per ounce for Ozarka. Haven't bought any pop for a while but it was over 4 cents an ounce. They can't run corn through the sugar house (processing plant) and have it come out sweet for free.

 

oh I agree, educating our children that high carbs\low fat is not good for their mind or body is a big part though, we will never be able to do single payer if diabetes and other metabolic diseases keep increasing at the current rate

but yes, being social and helping others has many benefits as well, it helps strengthen empathy and is good for ones mental and physical health

I also support public college education for those that can not afford private colleges

 

the Inuit were very healthy before high carbs were introduced - everywhere the (SAD) Standard American Diet goes, health decreases

https://openheart.bmj.com/content/5/2/e000776

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Conclusion
There was an approximate 50% increase in the intake of refined carbohydrates in the Alaskan Inland Inuit from 1955 to 1957 to 1965. This may have lead to the dramatic rise in dental caries and subsequent increase in atherosclerosis and coronary artery disease.1 4 The Alaskan Inuit eating a traditional low-carbohydrate, high-fat/protein diet had a much lower incidence of atherosclerosis, hypertension and dental caries versus more westernised populations. The health decline of the Alaskan Inland Inuit may have been driven by the rise in the intake of refined carbohydrates and sugar.
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Yes, and so how do we arrest that progression in Europe (with National Healthcare Systems).

YOU JUST GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR AND IT COSTS YOU NEXT-TO-NOTHINGGGGGGG !

As I have said repeatedly on this forum, that is the ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS DREARY HEALTHCARE MESS! Which is best visualized by this info-graphic:


'Nuff shown ... ?

PS: Here is a nicely written run-down of European healthcare systems (without the statistics) and how most of them work - Medical Care in Europe
PPS: I would be greatly surprised if it is the same as that in the US. But I am sure you-plural will tell me!

 

if people keep adopting America's high carb\low fat diet in countries with free health care it will effect them too - metabolic diseases like diabetes are not cheap - and that increases taxes (not free, just cheaper for their citizens then in the USA) hopefully someday we will have a public option - but I fear with rising diabetes the right will blame the public option for the cost rather then the diet

Sugar is in almost everything nowadays, reducing this would be the best thing one could do for their health - and if one already has metabolic issues they need to give up starch too

the Trump admin knows this is a huge issue - course their solution is to allow insurers to deny them insurance coverage

"Trump Official Says Diabetes a Preexisting Condition Not Worthy of Coverage"

https://insulinnation.com/living/tr...t-a-preexisting-condition-worthy-of-coverage/

 

I have underlined in red what I think is key in your statement. After all, governments subsidize what they think "the people" want.

If the American public is not smart-enough to understand the key-manner in which their diets are going to kill them sooner-than-necessary, then there is not much anybody can do ...

 

No it isn't. The 'science' is trying to find emergency band-aid solutions to the dangerously low levels of activity in the Western World. IOW, making the diet fit the terrible laziness, instead of addressing the cause. Whenever you take short cuts like that, the price is always high. The diet you're championing is terrible .. and shortens lifespans. Sure, if you're a lazy chair habitue you'll lose weight .. but what good is that if you'll just die of atherosclersis instead of complications of diabetes?

 

Because they DON'T MOVE, and because they DON'T follow that pyramid. Have you any idea of how much more meat and dairy the average American eats compared to a NE Asian?

God .. how many times :/

 

Jesus H Christos, no it doesn't! Go to rural Italy, or any place where pasta/noodles etc are a staple. Very few fat people.

 

They're not repaying it, their child is.

But in answer to your question - if you're poor, you're going to make VERY VERY sure your child takes a degree in something well paid and with plenty of jobs. This is such a no brainer that I'm surprised you asked.

 

REFINED carbs. It's right there, in the piece you posted. Sheesh!

Also, the Inuit are doing far less exercise than their forebears. FAR less.

 

So you're saying that if you ignore rent, transportation, insurance, groceries, utilities, and childcare poor people spend all of their money on frivolous items?

Discretionary spending is the cost of running government, advertising, and one time grants to particular government services, such as Clinton's initiative to hire more police officers.

Naturally the largest employer in the world, and the largest purchaser of American industry, makes up the majority of spending related to running the Federal government.

 

in my opinion the cause of obesity is linked to the promotional ideals which are set in place by the media. Advancements in items which create comfort and the need to never leave the house has crippled our society. We all know that most humans follow the path of least resistance and in my opinion we are being given the tools which only help such a path. How do we stop people from buying cheap frozen foods when its so much faster then cooking a decent meal? classic addict mentality has enveloped our nation and has transformed us from a society who puts in effort into forward progress into a system which wants stuff and wants it yesterday.

 

like bread....

the Inuit were eating a keto diet, meaning less they 5% of their diet was from carbs prior, had they been eating more carbs, they woudl of needed more Vitamin C like sailors did or they would of got scurvy as carbs compete with Vitamin C

read about the Inuit prior to the introduction of carbs, might learn something