Dieing of whiteness ... ?

Oh c'mon!

The idiots who use a gun in any crime are not going to go looking for windows to do their dirty work.

And yes, either way it's homicide. And so. Try being a bit more clear about what-you-mean ...

 

WE also live in a country that has dozens of different nationalities religious groups and ethnic groups, many with long histories of mutual antipathy. We are also on average younger than most other countries this alone have far more to do with out murder rate than guns.

 

Not in Europe they don't.

They do in the US because then the insurers have every right to ask you to pay for the necessary insurance.

Whereas, in a National Healthcare System, these questions are not asked and you get the care necessary regardless.

Which does not mean in the least that the Healthcare System doesn't give a damn about how you chose to kill yourself. There is a growing problem of obesity here in France, a country which has never ever known this problem.

There are repeated commercials on my TV here in France that try to warn people of the health-consequences of certain events, measures, actions, whatever. Those messages pass on French TV at prime-time - but the government insist that channels do so or they lose their license to transmit!

Works wonders ...! ;^)

 

I think income disparity is huge in exacerbating criminal violence and I would want to do everything reasonable to decrease that disparity. But I don't understand why you think gun homicide matters more than homicide by poisoning by arsenic tea. Don't murder people. When you do, regardless of how you do it, it is wrong.

 

Because statistically Gun Homicide is the PREVALENT MANNER OF HOMICIDE!

As proven by the statistics. Compare two countries, one that prohibits ownership of firearms and one that does not, as regards the homicide rate (victims per 100,000 inhabitants):
UK - 1.20
US - 5.30

The UK has forbidden personal ownership of firearms. From here: Firearms regulation in the United Kingdom

'Nuff said? Probably not ...

 

400 million legal firearms are in the hands of private owners. Some that I inherited have been in my family for 80 yrs. 3 generations. Chidren were present in all of the households. No one shot anyone, or threatened to shoot anyone. You have a distoorded view of guns, and their owners. McDonald's et al sells poison, and fast food joints just like urban violence aren't coming to my neighborhood.

 

Thanks for the apples and oranges. The relevant comparison is total homicide before the gun ban and after the gun ban in that country. If they did not significantly change all you did was change the weapon of choice and make it much harder for the weak to defend themselves against the strong

 

Not in terms of statistical differences. A gun-related death is a gun-related death. And if you want to call it "something else" then that is your highly-personal statistical misconception and no one else's ...

 

What we've seen in the UK, if you confiscate guns, they will use the other methods I discussed earlier. Gun control is a massive failure in saving lives.

 

Not what I'm doing at all. This is not Great Britain. Comparing US and British crime statistics is like comparing the size of the British and US fishing fleets. They simply don't compare. Different variables different constants and a whole host of other imponderables make such comparisons essentially meaningless. Even comparing gun homicides in Britain before and after the ban doesn't tell you the whole story. The pertinent question is did it save lives. And in order to derive an accurate answer to that one must perforce see if not just the expected gun homicide rate declined but the over all homicide. If the total is essentially unchanged then you haven't saved lives. Dead is still dead whether the weapon of choice is Maxwells silver plated croquet mallet or a pistol or an AK.

 

Really? Exactly how do so many African Americans live that justifies killing one another in such appalling numbers? I'm sure MLK would be ecstatic at today's America where formal discrimination is a thing of the past, where racism is considered the most heinous of attributes and where African Americans have risen to every conceivable position in the land, even the presidency. I'm sure he'd be appalled by how many young African American men have spat on his legacy by killing one another and he would have no problem with them being locked up if they're guilty.
Self pity and hypocrisy are the most insidious of all poisons, if African Americans are to solve their problems they look within themselves.

 

GUNS OR BUTTER?

Besides the point, and below as well. You are dredging the bottom!

Nothing since MLK has changed to really 'n truly pull blacks and hispanics out of the economic penury in which they were fatefully incarcerated:


So, cut the BS - will you? And let's look at the continued discrimination, that is, the why and wherefore.

To do so, I invite you to take a lonnngggg look at the following analyses (plural) here: Racial Wage Gap in the United States

It is not for anyone who is seeking THE QUICK SOLUTION - Yankie style. Because none exist!

The solution is a long and drearily costly route up the educational ladder that will bring thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) out of poverty and (the very least) into middle income levels. (And it will require absolutely Free or Nearly-free post-secondary education at state-schools financed by the US government!)

(Meaning to anyone with a the slightest remembrance of an old, old question from an EC101 class: Guns or butter? Guns or butter? Which do you want because you cannot have both!)

And for those too lazy to read an in-depth analysis of the cause, here are the headings (in order of importance!) from the above document:

That's a long list and it is evident that the first two/three reasons are the most preponderant. Happy reading ... !

 

You're right. But when you are one of the highest percentages living below the Poverty Threshold ($24K for a family of four), there's no easy way out.

What would help most is a minimum wage at above $15/hour*. But of course that adds another 45 cents to the cost of our BigMacs so we can't have that, can we?

Let's cut the malarkey, shall we. There is no fairness whatsoever below the Poverty Threshold

Doing the numbers:
*$15/hour times 40 hours = $600/week
*Times 52 weeks = $31,200 per year
* The U.S Bureau of the Census has the annual median personal-income at $31,099 in 2016.

Self-pity has nothing to do with it. It's all about the numbers, and that includes both lifestyle and lifespan (or life expectancy).

 

It's the nature of politics and always has been, that sometimes people with similar ideologies oppose each other more than they oppose the more extreme ideologies. In the US, there is a group in the far right who are so extreme in their ideology that anyone not like them is a leftist or socialist. They never can get it thru their heads that their ways will never attract someone different to their ideology.

Gun laws are to protect lives and logical people aren't involved in deciding which lives to protect. I'm white and I don't want white people, any color, even orange people, like tRump, killed off. I don't want people killed by some nut carrying a hundred round magazine and a weapon designed for war.

 

Still propagandizing the forum about the Trump economy?

Economic growth is about what it was five years ago.



Real wages are what they were when Trump took office.



Can you stop?

 

The last show I recall with a black guy who got zinged for his bigotry was The Jeffersons.

 

Ditto for both Republicans and Democrats. The media spread lies because folks want to hear BS.

 

Wrong. Machine guns produced before May 19, 1986 and registered with the ATF can be transferred.

Wrong, again. For example, there are African countries with mostly black populations that have a lower murder rate than the United States, and a lower rate than blacks in this country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate​

Of course, there are countries with higher murder rates.

 

You've got your facts wrong.

The US economy had turned (in terms of job-creation) under the Obama Administration finally in January, 2014. See here from the BLS Employment-to-population Ratio.

By the start of Donald Dork's presidency (Jan. 2017), the ratio was back up to 59.8 from 58.7 (in Jan. 2014). Today it's at 60.7.

There is nothing in that progression to credit Donald Dork's administration for any "magic". Absolutely nothing ...

 

Regardless of the reasons, the American public is very evenly divided about controlling guns (with only a slight majority in favor). Originally in this statistical series (2000) controlling ownership was the predominant sentiment.

But, that has changed:in 2006/8 - right in the midst of the Great Recession:

 

LOL, you libs are a riot, I swear, we are 3 years into Trump's presidency and you are still bleating about Obama. Based on your logic then it was GWB, not Obama who should be credited with ending the recession in 2009. Agreed?

We have best economy in decades, lowest unemployment in half a century, highest employment among Blacks, Hispanics, women on record, literally hundreds of stock market records.

Are we to believe that Trump's policies of tax reforms, deregulation, better treaties, energy independence etc have nothing to do with this amazing economic boom and that it's all Obama...who btw lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and proudly pronounced that they were not coming back until Trump brought back 500,000 of them.

Jeez you people need to get real. Especially you froggy The unemployment in France is 10%, 3 times higher than in the US and you're lecturing us on the virtues of socialist economic policies, no less. Duh

 

If you read the entire article, the author struggles with correlation and causation a lot more than you do and a lot more than he is the quote you provided.

Nah, I read the entire article and many more dealing with the basic issues. Your posts in this thread makes me think you made up your mind long ago and intend to do a sales job on the forum.

 

You simply cannot resist BSing the forum. I presented you with evidence from the St. Louis Federal Reserve and you ignore it.

More BS. The economy grew more quickly during the Clinton Presidency.



Are you going to ignore this, too?

More of your BS. This time you assume the economy is experiencing an "amazing economic boom" and then try to give the Orange Oaf credit for your fantasy.

You need to get real.

 

Uh oh. The facts escape you, again.



Can't stop, can you?

 

Huh? ten million jobs created, including 500,000 manufacturing jobs that Obama claimed (having lost 200,000 of them) were never coming back. Energy independence, full employment, the stock market breaking records on a daily basis, highest employment on record, including minorities, African-americans, Latinos, women, tens of millions of high paying vacancies, the median wage is finally going up, after decades of stagnation and decline....

The idea that this is not an amazing boom or that it was not caused by Trump's pro-business deregulation, energy independence, taxation, international treaties policies is caused by TDS, not by brain activity. Trust me.

Trump/Pence - four more years of growth, prosperity and amazing economy baby! Feel free to thank Obama for that in 2024

The Trump Manufacturing Jobs Boom: 10 Times Obama's Over 21 Months
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckd...-10-times-obamas-over-21-months/#32b4b57d5850