Right wing disinformation mill in full swing

If it wasn't for the French, who were then and still are a MAJORITY Catholic nation, there would be no United States of America so that fallacy doesn't hold up to any serious level of scrutiny.

Then there is this load of bovine excrement;

The "morality" of the biblical god PERMITS EVERYTHING up to and including slavery, rape, incest and murder.

The FF's were primarily POLITICIANS and they used the terminology of their times to gain the support of We the People. However when it came to defining the Constitution they introduced a Wall of Separation between Church and State because they KNEW that it was one of the PRIMARY CAUSES of civil strife and warfare.

The HATRED expressed by theists towards atheists is their problem. Christianity is in decline while atheism and agnosticism is growing worldwide. The demographic changes sweeping our nation INCLUDE this trend AWAY from religion and towards secularism. It is theists who will eventually have to "face an uncertain future" but I have no doubt that there will always be some who will still "believe" the superstitions.

 

So......where is the bit that says

“Can own a Howitzer and blow apart neighbours”

 

And if you want to see how the NRA are behind that misinformation campaign then watch this

https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/howtosellamassacre/

NRA filmed in Australia trying to buy politicians

NRA playbook being taught to Australian political party

 

Of course, we got help from the French, and the French monarchy at that. But your allies don't determine your domestic character, else we would all have been Communists after WWII. Had the French settled all of North America, we would be a very different nation, although it's probably a stretch to say we would be as backward as the Latin American countries, settled by very Catholic Spain..

It's that old Protestant work ethic. The French are the most tepid of all Catholic nations. As the expression has it, "France is Catholic, but not religious". Napoleon could break relations with the Pope, be excommunicated, even capture the Pope ... and the French people did not stir. So who knows what America would be like had the French been in charge. Perhaps like Quebec. But it was in England that the spirit of capitalism had really taken hold, and it's red-blooded ruthless capitalism that drives social advance.

As for the argument "Without God, all things are permitted" it's unanswerable in its own terms. You are no doubt a very moral person (not being sarcastic here), but why are you? Consider someone who is an atheist, who does not believe in an afterlife, or in divine punishment: if he knows he can get away with murder, and profit greatly by it ... why should he not do it?

As for the Bible permitting all sorts of detestable horrors, of course. We find the first divinely-sanctioned mass murder in the Bible (the Canaanites -- although that was just the men in cities that did not surrender -- the women and chldren were kept alive, for what fate we can imagine), and outright genocide in the case of the Amelekites (here, God was more strict: everyone, including the farm animals had to be killed. No post-battle rape fest. A strict God indeed.)

This just shows us that religion, ideology, all those lovely constructs -- don't get in the way of the pursuit of material interests. However, for whatever reason, we have come forward a lot since those days, and, by and large, Christians are now very civilized people. Bless them!

But we must not take the view that religion is always bad. Cromwell's Puritans, who destroyed the English monarchy, were very pious Christians, and 'Old Testament' Christians at that. It was what was needed to fight and win a dificult civil war. As Macaulay put it, the Puritan soldier 'humbled himself in the dust before his God, the better to set his foot on the neck of his king'. We owe our present liberty to old Sergeant "Bind-their-kings-with-chains-and-their-nobles-with-links-of-iron" (there really was such a man). and his fellow warriors. (Interestingly, in the English Civil War, the sophisticated religious skeptics were to be found on the Royalist side).

 

Okay, I'll watch those later. Lots of pretty girls, I take it? The NRA will have to work overtime to match those Aussie stunners with their assault rifles, though.

 

The SSAA has always been active and we are not influenced by photos of pretty girls probably because that is the normal here. Lots of pretty girls but very very few interested in guns

 

Good grief, what a load of complete and utter crap!

Did the Mongols who acquired the largest land based empire have a "protestant work ethic" and were driven by "red-blooded ruthless capitalism"? What about the Ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans? Where was their "protestant work ethic"?

Conquering and exploitation by ruling Rulers of all kinds and creeds was driven by GREED and POWER! British COLONIALISM has morphed into the modern day CORPORATE CAPITALISM but is just as abhorrent as it's predecessor in the HARM that it causes to We the People.

UNREGULATED Capitalism is PARASITE that destroys society. It exists under kinds of political regimes. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the ruling elite in the Chinese Communist party and the ruling elite 1% here in America. They both steal the profits from the labor of We the People and keep it for themselves via Capitalist EXPLOITATION.

So to PRETEND that the FALLACY of "one nation under god" makes us "morally superior" to the "godless" Chinese is just a massive load of bovine excrement.

 

No, girls generally aren't, women being different from men in so many ways.
But congratulations on your girls who are.

 

So you believe that the preamble has nothing to do with the reasons to declare independence? Then do tell, why did they even bother to put it in there?

 

It isn't in there.

 

Asinine STRAWMAN ignored for obvious reasons.

You just CHERRY PICKED a single phrase from the ENTIRE preamble but you obviously must have failed to read the rest of it because if you had you would KNOW WHY it was there.

Here is the ENTIRE TEXT of the DOI Preamble.

 

The only requirement is that you are white and landed.

 

Most of these mass shooters are not proficient with guns. They are young kids, that are scared and excited. There to make a name for themselves. It's not unexpected that when their gun runs out of rounds, they would be nerves and have a hard time reloading. Maybe even drop the new one. Smaller mags at least gives people a better chance of getting out, or getting the shooter.

 

My question is, how do we recover from this once Trump is gone?

Can we?

 

smaller mags??????????

This is the discussion?

Smaller mags?

and the White House is not even considering this.

Trump litteraly said he had to check with the NRA about background checks!

Can you imagine, the NRA is deciding not our president nor Congress.

This presidency is serious loony toons with a country at stake..

 

can they buy assault weapons, I was thinking they banned them and have laws that guns have to be locked up when not in use

 

You accuse me of cherry picking, when You literally tried to exclude part of the document to fit your narrative.

You conveniently wish to overlook all the talk about equality and inalienable rights from a creator, nature, or God, and that the BOR then goes on to limit government as to not infringe on certain rights.

You seem to obsess over some "list" of natural rights and try to use that to infer that such rights do not exist. I'll leave you with this, where dose my right to worship come from? Does the government give me that right, or are they really only able to take it away?

Your opinions are intriguing, but I think you fail to understand why this country was created. You can have the last word if you wish, I will not be reading it.

 

Smaller mags disarms the law abiding.

How many shots from how many people did it take to stop the Dayton shooter?

 

The great empires of the past were steps forward in human social evolution. They allowed the 'surplus' that improved agriculture produced to be concentrated and used for other things than just individual consumption -- things like roads, and institutions where clever people could start studying the world around them and invent mathematics and astronomy. They imposed a kind of peace on their conquered tribes, preventing the incessant warfare that characterizes primitive peoples then and now. And most of them -- Islam was a partial, but only partial, exception -- were religiously tolerant: so long as you paid your taxes, they didn't care what particular superstition you followed. The new intellectual elite that this made possible -- in most of these empires tied to religion -- came up with many clever inventions and discoveries. Empires allowed the development of that most important of human institutions, the market.

But all of these empires, after a few centuries of glory, fell into stagnation and backwardness.

Sadly, they did not develop capitalism, which is more than just the market, even the international market. That was left to the Europeans, spearheaded by the English. Why exactly capitalism developed in England and then Europe, I am not sure, despite reading about it. I suspect it had a lot to do with, first, the Protestant Reformation, and second, the Industrial Revolution, closely tied to the Enlightenment.

Under capitalism, if you come up with a good idea, you, or someone else, can try to make a dollar out of it. Make and sell all you can. Your competitors will steal your ideas, but they'll also try to improve them. New inventions, like the automobile or the telephone, start out as the playthings of rich people, and then become the day to day possessions of ordinary people. All through capitalism. The capitalists don't bring us better and better and cheaper and cheaper things because they are devoted to humanity. They do it because it makes them rich.

A paradox, actually. Genuine socialists are genuinely devoted to the welfare of humanity. But in the only cases where they have actually contributed to it, it has been by tweaking, not destroying, the system based on human greed ... Capitalism. No capitalism, no happy peaceful Sweden. (There may be no happy peaceful Sweden soon, but it won't be capitalism's fault.)

In any case, capitalism flourished, and rapidly developed the productive forces. It was necessarily global, at first as imperialism, which had many downsides for the imperialized peoples, but ultimately helped bring them out on the road to modernity.

We're in a critical phase of globalization now, as previously-imperialized peoples, shaking off the chains of an overmighty state in both India and China, start to take their place in the forefront of civilized peoples. If we can just avoid a big war among the advanced countries, we are going to see miracles in the progress of human welfare. Already, even in countries where the rule of law is weak and corruption is rife, we have almost eliminated extreme poverty, just in the last few decades.

All thanks to capitalism.

 

If you can't hit what your aiming at with 8-10 rounds you don't need a gun.

 

Answer the question, it's a known fact.

 

Could you post where Trump said that?

 

I don't know, would you like to post it

 

That pesky constitution is not your friend.

 

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