Hong Kong! Remember Tiananmen Square!

Discussion in 'Asia' started by Starjet, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you kidding??? You're kidding, aren't you?
    Young Black males are about 5% of the American population and commit about 50% of its murders. Other violent crime in proportion.
    Jesus, a white trailer park is a Benedictine monastic retreat in comparison. Not to mention that your example completely destroys your argument that violent behavior is because of racism.

    As for your plan to eliminate the ghetto by "eliminating racism and injustices ... " ...

    Look ... several times on this forum I've tried to start a discussion about what it might take to tackle this huge social problem. I mention the Harlem Childrens' Zone, I urge people to look at books by William Julius Wilson and Robert Cherry, to look at examples of good practice in education for disadvantaged children created by Marva Collins in the US and Katherin Birbalsingh in the UK, all with links to Wiki articles, academic papers, and books. No one responds. No one has the time, I guess. (Correction: someone from your side who has actual experience teaching in the relevant kind of school did respond, and we had a good discussion. I could learn more from her.)

    So we might have a good discussion about what a real Marshall Plan effort to tackle the problem Black people have in the US might look like. How would we deal with the deadly 'Acting White' syndrome that means high-achieving Black children in mixed-race schools get pulled back into the crab pot by other Blacks, something friends of mine in Seattle witnessed with their own daughter, for example.

    We could also talk about the growing white underclass, not subject to racism and injustices, but beginning to exhibit the same kind of social
    pathology and irresponsibility as many young Black underclass males do.

    I'm so tired of lazy shallow cliches on both sides. But ... I doubt it will happen. However, suggest a single book that incorporates your view -- it could all be cured by ending racism and injustice, with examples, spelled out, of the racism and injustice, and, if I can get it over here (UK) for under $25 I will do so, and read it.

    Right now I'm reading a couple of books about Baltimore, given the recent tactful statements of Mr Trump about that city. But I'll put it on my reading list, if I haven't read it already, and tell you what I think.
     
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    they wont send troop cause they are not stupid, look at 2014, the protest last over 6 month, did PRC send troops? no, they would wait until all the rest of HK local got so fed up with city wide disruptions and ask HK police to stop it. by then the protest will run out of steam. they can win the war without firing a shot, and HK local will hate these youngster for it due to disruption of their daily lives.
     
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    Is there an accepted method for protest against the PRC? I don’t think so.
    It’s the Party’s way or the highway(incarceration for twenty years after a show trial on fabricated charges).
     
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    well HK is protest now for over 2 month, isn't it. in 2014, they protest for over 6 month. so yea, facts said otherwise. even in china there are protest, not political but environment, housing etc.
     
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    I think they will send in the troops. Totalitarian power tends to stupify the leaders who possess it.
     
  6. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was my response exactly. Agents provocateurs, they're called, in the profession. Google MSS.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And if those young people had had proper leadership and training they would not have fallen for it. But I don't think Mr Soros cared about Asia.
     
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    That’s nice.
     
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    its quite the opposite, those leader are smart and ruthless, otherwise they wont be in leadership position for long. Xi was a pig farmer, he is smart enough to become one of the most powerful man in the world out of 1.4 billions.
     
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    Poor black Americans are historically not predisposed to crime. High crime was not a problem before massive government intrusion into their communities.

    Much of that government action was, IMO, motivated by racism and perceived political expediency.

    Guys we are drifting off topic. We need a new thread.
    Doug, you or Truth should start one and give me a heads up.
     
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    Hitler, Stalin and Mao were smart guys, but they really screwed up their people and their nations. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts and deludes those who hold it.
     
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    I think that already happens.
    I don't really have a lot of detailed knowledge about the subject, but I think a lot of the violence is
    (1) Business disputes. Who gets to sell on this corner. Okay, maybe that's just my viewing of The Wire.
    (2) Romantic disputes. "You lookin' at my ho?"

    They're not violent criminals in the Jesse James sense. It's fatherless youths, semi-literate, probably low IQ,
    maybe very impulsive.

    To get out of that trap, they need something like the Marine Corps, which lets you be hard and tough and proud
    but at the service of society.

    Or an authentic Black equivalent. Malcolm X might have built something like that. And the anti-Semite Farrakhan has
    something like that. You find something bigger than yourself, something whitey doesn't like so that's a bonus, but it gives
    you self-respect and discipline and probably older men who are can become father figures. You get married, get a job, have
    support when you need it.

    I wonder if anyone has ever studied the Black Muslims from that point of view.

    When the American Nazi leader George Lincoln Rockwell met with Elijah Muhammed in the early
    1960s, he was extremely impressed with the demeanor of Muhammed's followers. It's pretty interesting,
    what he said, which I think was entirely sincere ... leave aside the usual 'Jew-Communist' conspiracy nonsense,
    and note what he said.
    [SOURCE]

    Maybe when America separates into Red America and Blue America, it can have a place for Black America as well.
     
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    those guy were 1st gen, and they got their power from revolution. Mao had no idea how to run a economy, deng learn it from west/singapore etc. Xi and other Chinese leader got their power by moving up the ladder slowly over the decades. Xi study many US farmer industry and applied to china. and he knows if he want to keep his power, he need provide economic growth.
     
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    Yeah, good idea. You're able to move posts? Anyway, I'll do it now.
     
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    Just give me a heads up on the new thread. :)
     
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    This will certainly be a test of his leadership.
     
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    During the 1950s, my parents in Houston earned their living selling dresses on credit to Black women. My dad had a truck with racks of dresses, and my mom had a rack of dresses across the back seat of her car. They had regular customers, who bought a dress on credit, and paid it off at $2 a week.
    They went to their customers' homes, which were mainly in what we called 'The Third Ward' and 'The Fifth Ward'. They mainly went there on Saturdays -- that's when their customers, almost all Black women who worked as maids during the week -- were at home. Sometimes during the week, at night, and on Saturdays they often drove from customer to customer after dark. My mother was all by herself in her car, my father by himself in his truck. He got robbed once in all the time they did this, my mother never. When I got older I sometimes helped them. We never felt any hostility or had any fear.

    No one would believe this now, I suspect, but I promise it's true. Don't think we'd do it now, but I have no knowledge of what Houston is like today.

    In Australia, the aborigenes tend to live on remote 'reservations' in the Outback. They get welfare. Much of it goes on alcohol, although the government tries to prevent this. Child abuse is rampant. They have a leader, Noel Pearson, who calls it 'welfare poison' and who wants to change the whole system. [Any Aussies reading this are invited to correct or expand this information.] While I don't think this policy is motivated by malice on the part of the government, it certainly does not result in the results that the well-intentioned people who implement it want to see.

    One guideline, in my opinion, is that we must make work pay. If all that is available is a dead-end low-skill job with no chance of serious advancement -- and if easy money is available selling crack and other entertainment to white college students -- it's going to be practically impossible to go any way towards solving this problem. This is easy to say and not so easy to do.
     
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    There are also urban aborigines who live on welfare.
    I agree that you can’t solve problems just by throwing money at them.
     
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    You think Hitler was smart? He was good at intimidating people like any good gangster and had a great eye for symbolism - but smart?

    Off topic, I know but........
     
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    Maybe not just by throwing money but investing in human capital is a good start to turning things around.
     
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    Yeah, but morals do not matter.

    It is might that makes right -- and Red China has the might, so Red China will be right and achieve total dominance over Hong Kong, with as much violence as they wish to exert.

    People can boo, and speak hot air, and it won't change a thing.
     
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    Hell if Hitler had left military planning to the generals we would likely all be speaking German.
     
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    I was referring to the dole and welfare handouts.
     
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    violent protester beating a man, prevent paramedic access, shine laser to other peoples eye, dont think mainland chinese want this kind of liberty/freedom lol

     
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