Trump official: Statue of Liberty poem refers to Europeans

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  1. BuckyBadger

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    So Trump wants to stop illegal border crossings and you somehow equate this into Nazi Germany? Every President that I can think of has addressed this and tried to make it a reality except that Congress won't pass the laws that actually stop it from happening. This isn't something new to Trump. It's just the Democrats and progressives trying to paint Trump as evil.

    Trump is right on this issue and so was Obama, Bush and Clinton before him. It should have been an issue that the country resolved 50 years ago, not continue to struggle with it today. Now the Democrats are lining up against it, just because they don't like Trump. That is insane.

    On the other side, you have a Democrat Party that had power and they used it to weaponize the IRS, the Intel agencies and to spy not only on our enemies (I am fine with) but our friends (which we have always done) and members of Congress and the Supreme court as well as reporters that the President did not like. That is disturbing. Even more, the political party and it's heads ran a counter intelligence campaign into the opposing candidates campaign, planted moles, spied on them with the use of foreign powers. When the election was lost, they launched a coup attempt to remove the elected official. These are the tactics of Nazi party that wants to consolidate power and to subvert a nation to her will. This should bother you no matter what party you represent.


    Yes, a while back, though. They were Federalists (Mostly) who drafted and ratified the Constitution of the United States and set about to implement a government that guaranteed freedom and Independence. Just as a point of reference, they were the exact opposites of what the liberals actually stand for today. Federalists believe in a strong central government and economic growth, not overwhelming socialist programs. It's funny, but Trump is more aligned with Federalists than either Republicans or Democrats. His goal is to return power back to it;s people and away from corruption.

    I get that the country is different today but the basic principles don't have to be abolished. If liberals get their way, they will destroy the country as they are strongly rooted in socialist policies.

    BTW, even if Jesus had an SUV, his message would have still been the same, he would have just been traveling faster and in better comfort.
     
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    If you read into the post that I was inferring that immigration is a states' issue, than I apologize for not making my statement clear; free of confusion.
     
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    I did not equate stopping illegals from entering with Hitlerism. I responded to your comment that Trump did not use Nazi tactics. I proved that he did. Hitler painted the Jews who were not indigenous to Germania as invaders, stealers of German jobs, those whominfested Germany and other vile crap. When attacks Naturalized American immigrants or Americans whose parents or grandparents came here by saying that they need to go back where they came from that is a Nazism. When Trump attacks Naturalized American citizens he is attacking me an Naturalized American who served his country as Trump never did that is Nazi Hitlerite tactics.

    The four whacky dacky Congresschicks who behave like junior high school girls based on their religious or ethnic origins instead of their politics that is Hitlerite tactics.

    You may not have read my posts going back a few years ago and again recently but I was told to go back where I came from that I came here to steal Americans jobs and their housing and that I did not like America.
    Sound familiar. BTW I was 5-6 years old when a Bible toting piece of Human S H yelled that at me. I was obviously a legal refugee.

    So yes Trump like Hitler use Nazi tactics.
     
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    You didn't prove that at all and you tried to string together a loose and very archaic argument that Trump is using Nazi tactics. He isn't. Not at all. In fact, he is doing the opposite right now by concentrating on the economy and removing the United States from wars.

    Defending our borders from illegals flowing into the country is not a Nazi tactic.

    Hitler and the Nazi's actually took portions of the German population and committed genocide. How in the name of all that is Holy do you equate that with what Trump is doing? Because he told a stupid liberal to go back to Somalia? The same liberal that married her brother? Trump is right, she should shut up and work on doing real work and stop with all the hatred.

    An attack on a Congresswoman, who deserved it, is not an attack on all of America and it is not a Nazi tactic. If that were the case, all Americans are now Nazi's.

    Everyone gets insulted at some point in their life and everyone also insults someone...that doesn't mean they are Nazi's because you were offended...rightly or not.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jesus.

    Reading through, it looks like the left will eventually work The Man from Nantucket into policy FFS.
     
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    Seeing how democrats are trying to paint Trump and ALL that voted for him as racist, your post is humorous.
     
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    Oh damn the OP is full of **** lets talk about "Nazi's" now!
     
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    Trump is not defending our borders. If he was I would say good work.
    Trump attacks people based on ethnic, religion, and gender background.

    Trump can attack the Four Toddlers of Comgress but attack this'd junior high girls based on their politic and political policies. He should not attack them based on their or their parents / grand parents country of origin. When he stands and smiles and says nothing when his ignorant saves aka supporters chant "send her back" that is Nazi like tactics.
    Higher and the Germans attacked German Jews who were born in Germany. Three of the Four Toddlers where born in the USA.

    Again you can attack another politician based on policy that is not Nazism. Attacks based on ethnic, religious or country of ancestral origin is Nazism.
     
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    No one can paint you a racist if you do not talk and behave like a racist.
    Only a few vocal Dems. Said that Trump was a racist and that is very stupid of them. That is just as stupid as Trump calling Mexicans rapists, drug pushers, rapists,etc. Just because Trump does stupid racist things does mean the Democrats should.
     
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    But Trump doesn't label all within those groups as you describe.
     
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    Trump correctly identified many of those crossing our borders 'illegally' which I am not sure the left understands is breaking the law.
     
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    Yes, he is. Are you not paying attention to his bid to build the border wall, staff it with patrols ad to turn back illegals? He even sent down the National Guard and got Mexico to deploy their army to stop the mass migration. The border has been a focus since Trump took office. Democrats in Congress are doing everything they can from stopping Trump and allowing people to cross into our country, illegally.

    You are falling into that progressive trap where you think Trump being mean is being a Nazi. Yet you have no voice when Obama weaponized Intel agencies and spied on political opponents and AP reporters.
     
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    There are many on the left who want illegal entry to be a civil violation. They are whacked out. Breaking and entering is a crminal act whether done into their home or the country.

    As an immigrant myself I am not going to give a free pass to those who committ a criminal. As a refugee I strongly believe that we still should honor inviting legitimate refugees. Even as refugees my parents who survived Nazi German forced labor camps had spent years in refugee camps being vetted and scrutinized before they came here. They played by the rules as should everyone who wants in.

    As always there will be those who most likely get a special deal such as Malania's parents.
     
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    I fall into no trap. I think for myself and I observe. I do not let Fox nor MSBNC tell what to believe. The Trump lied about having the wall paid for by Mexico. He lied claiming that certain sections of wall were built during his administration. Proven not true. He did activate some guard units and did send some regular troops to the border area to back border guards but that is not their mission. Mexico did make some half hearted effort at heir southern border but I understand it was mostly show.

    Trump lied about a wall stopping drug entry. A couple weeks ago the Coast Guard intersected one of thos little subs carrying drugs and that sub dud not go under the desert sand. There still is as always drug running using various water craft. There are tons of illegals who fly in over stay their visas but Trump has not stoppped them.
     
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    Trump did not lie about building a wall and protecting our borders, he is being stymied and obstructed at every turn by the Democrats. You should be applauding his efforts to keep illegals out of the country.

    Trump specifically stated that he would get Mexico to pay for the wall directly or indirectly. He redid the trade deal with Mexico allowing billions more to flow into the American government. In my eyes, he kept his promise there. Besides, he still has 2-6 years left to bring even more money in and make even better trade deals with other nations.

    Trump cannot fix everything and even if he did, you would find something to hammer him about, fair and unfair.
     
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    Wrong...…...or did Hungarians, Poles, Romanians, Russians, Germans and Swedes all have papers?

    2019-08-15_1458.png
    https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=wop
     
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    To say that Trump pulled off some "deal" that allows "billions" to First of all money does not " flow into the government government" is raw nonsense and you should know it. Goods and services are paid for by companies to companies. The only time money flows into a government it is for tariffs. So did the US and Mexico agree to have tariffs put on trade between them as part of NAFTA II .?

    Trump brayed out the question "who will pay for the wall? " The crazed crowd would shout out "Mexico". The Trump did yell out at his rallies " who sail indirectly or directly pay for the wall".

    Since you believe that Mexico will pay for the wal what are the Ways?

    So far Trump shifted money he stole from our military budget and he wants our military to pay for the wall. Is our military Mexican?
     
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    By added funds from the new trade deal.

    https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/united-states-mexico-canada-agreement

    I think if the militray is idle and needs something to do, have them build the wall. We pay their salaries any way, might as will let the Sea Bees get some practice.
     
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    I am talking about the funds he had transferred out of the military budget to the wall.

    I am all for security but a wall alone is not the answer. You must agree that Trump talked about his wall as a campaign trick. Why else would he keep repeatedly asking his gang who will pay for the wall.

    We need more electronic surveailence, drones, barbed or razor wire fencing where warranted, more patrols, more quick response anti incursion teams. You know sort of like border swat teams BST's. Which will be knick named Bests or Beasts.

    Walls are great near the high population density areas and there was a wall built in El Paso way before the Trump era. Trump tried to take credit for building that wall. Only his fans and the naive people believed him.
     
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    I see your attention to detail is ever lacking.

    Your own link doesn't break down by race only by region.

    But let's look at where they hide the non white immigrants.

    Western Hemisphere: Since they without any real surprise don't identify south America but only call it Western Hemisphere as it is a pro immigration site, we will take that. Then they include Asia and Africa. Even with a Canadian education you should realize those are non European regions of the world.

    So let's add it it up.

    Non European regions make up 16,664,938 vs Europe 2,168,189.

    In immigrant population alone they are only 11% of the population on some form of welfare.

    Of welfare overall including the native population they are 1.5%



    So to go back to your actual statement instead of your sad attempt to rewrite it you said:

    Who says European immigrants aren't draining tax payers and living off welfare?

    So no Cubed they are not "draining tax payers" as you so laughably put it with a percentage that small. But nice try trying to rewrite your original statement. Too bad once again your own words betray you. :)

    This is what you were so proud of? lol
     
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    Man, that's a whole lot of words to admit that yes, Europeans use welfare too.

    Or is there a statistical and quantifiable number to indicate "a drain" vs reasonable usage that everyone else is unaware of?
     
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    lol Still running from your original statement that Europeans are draining tax payers and living off welfare which is what I responded to not your fabricated rewrite claiming any Europeans using welfare which was never your statement. Typical.

    I know its hard but rational thought can be used. 1.5% of all welfare recipients and 11% of immigrants only is hardly draining tax payers and living off welfare

    But don't worry, I know your ego will never let you admit it. :)
     
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    Oh so now there is a reasonable level of welfare usage? Interesting.

    I was under the impression that all welfare use was a drain. Your the first to actually attempt to quantify what level is a "drain" and what level is not.

    You should communicate that up the chain so the rest of us can adjust our calculations.
     
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    only because we banned non-white immigrants.
     

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