Fox News Poll: Most back gun restrictions after shootings, Trump ratings down

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  1. AFM

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    It has been shown that banning them does no good. Criminals will not turn in any weapons. Only law abiding citizens will.
     
  2. AFM

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    There would be a medical evaluation and recommendations. Treatment would be mandatory.
     
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    I have a thread on this psychological problem where Americans can only see full and complete ownership of all guns v a complete ban on all guns.

    Why you guys do this is weird. Is it paranoia?
     
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    There was a time when owning dynamite without a permit was legal. We used it all the time to blow stumps out of new pasture land. My Grandfather had cases of dynamite laying around. In fact, I probably still have blasting caps down at the barn. However, all you did was create a strawman argument. We are not talking about bombs and I never made an argument one way or the other as to whether they should be legal. Whether they are legal or not, they are very easy to make.

    People fell strongly about their rights to own weapons, including semi-automatic rifles. Not everybody would turn them in....in fact, I would suspect that many would not. So, yes, your plan would not only make these law abiding people felons, but then you would remove other rights from them in the process. Quite fascist if you ask me.
     
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    yep, like state physiologist that say a defendant is sane, then when found not guilty by a jury say ok, they are insane so they can lock them away in a mental institution

    were they right the first time or after a jury of non-professionals declared them not guilty
     
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    What makes sense is to get those people treatment. You won’t have to defend against any mentally unstable mass murderer with any weapon if they receive treatment and confinement.
     
  7. FreshAir

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    it's a tough one, we have seen murders declared crazy, then declared sane and released only to kill again....

    I see the good and the bad a law like this would bring
     
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  8. AFM

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    What state psychiatrists (not physiologists) ??

    These mentally ill people are not defendants. The objective is to prevent them from becoming defendants and to prevent victims.
     
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    The objective is to proactively prevent the murder.
     
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    A well regulated militia should have access to bombs, grenades, ect.....

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
     
  11. FreshAir

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    yes, but as time goes on there is less and less machine guns, as we have seen not many mass murders from machine guns

    handguns and rifles work well for home defense, when is the last time you heard of a home owner defending his home with an assault rifle - other then in scarface
     
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    SCOTUS has already ruled on the definition of a "well regulated militia". However, as I said, we are not talking about bombs. Stop moving the goal posts. Bombs are not arms and "bombs" are already regulated. The average person CAN have a bomb with the proper permits.
     
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    yes, that is my point, restrictions can be made, the precedent has already been set with machine guns

    and a person could own a machine gun or assault rifle with the proper permits
     
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    With an Illegal weapon!

    Same as the jerk held up in Philly yesterday. He had a rap sheet 3' long but that didn't stop Harris or Booker from politicizing gun control while the guy was still shooting at cops.
     
  15. FreshAir

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    but we also have to make sure it's a felony to abuse the law, if one falsely imprisons someone

    and how about the state has to give that person falsely confined 1 million dollars for every month in confinement

    that would make me feel better about such a law.... abuse of the law needs to be financially bad for the state
     
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    All the time:




    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wounded-fl-homeowner-kills-two-of-four-intruders-with-ar-15-rifle/
    https://www.mic.com/articles/64663/...-themselves-and-it-probably-saved-their-lives

    Just a very quick search. some might be repeats.
     
  17. FreshAir

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    yeah, picked wrong spellcheck selection :)

    your assuming only the mentally ill will be confined

    and that sane people will be released easily
     
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    Ahh...so now you are talking about permits. That is a different point of view (goalpost moving?). Before, you wanted to remove all of them off of the streets and make it a felony to even own one.

     
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    nope, I have always said that, I want assult weapons to be harder to buy - I want them to be like machine guns
     
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    So what is your definition of a "assault rifle"? You are already using a false terminology to the AR-15. Would it include a semi-automatic .22 cal? What about a semi-automatic handgun?
     
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    None of you have been able to give a definition of 'assault weapon'. One can only wonder you have been brainwashed by propaganda.
     
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    ??? Non-sequitur

    Where did I say that any endorsed anything? No Democrat Leader has endorsed anything of the sort that I could find.

    The only one is an Oregon State Senator named Lee Beyer who co-sponsored a bill in the Oregon Senate (Bill 801) with Republican Representative Sherrie Sprenger to allow First Graders to attend Gun Safety classes.
    https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...ls/3301652002/?cid=facebook_Statesman_Journal

    So, is this the part where you disappear like you did in that last thread about Europeans who you think don't use welfare?
     
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    yes, we need mandatory background checks
     
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    If it would do fine for home invasion, then a hand-gun would do fine in a mass shooting. In fact, probably better, as it is easier to conceal until needed.

    So, you "ban" or require permits for AR-15 and mass shootings still happen, but with handguns. What's next?
     

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